Past Lives and Einstein's Theory of Spooky Science at a Distance...

[philosophygirl78]

I asked my dog what he thought about multiverses & the idiot replied, "given that the acceleration of the universe is at the optimal speed for accretion,( i.e. if the expansion was slower, there would be insufficient energy for matter to accumulate & if the speed was greater, then all matter would be moving too fast to allow gravitational attraction ,) .. & that the chances of this happening are so astronomically small, then the only logical conclusion, is that there must be hundreds of other universes & we got lucky."
I think he's leaning more towards the Anthropic principle but as it's difficult to get any sense out of him, it's impossible to tell.

Given that time didin't exist before the Big Bang, How can we be sure that it exists today ? Isn't it just a human creation like mathematics. Just another concept to give the illusion of understanding the the world & it's suburbs.? Other life forms, both past & present, have no need to believe in time parallels, gods or super natural phenomena, so why do we ? Conceptual thought is great but enclosed in a primitive primate brain, fantasy pervades reality, if reality exists of course, or can exist on it's own without having to be percieved by human beings to acknowledge it as reality & if so, is what we concieve as reality, really reality ?

As for the missing socks enigma, I have photographic proof that it is fact the sock fairies that steal them......

P.S.
I didn't want to post this but as I am merely an avatar in an alien's video game, he made me do it.

This post reply made me LOL!.. It is cute.... Very cute... As for the anthropic principle, understandably with my scientist hat, I find it Silly to say the least... Like, I imagine a valley girl accent saying it.. Like ya know? Lol... With my philosophy hat on, I can see how some people would be inclined to want to rest their faith in such an ideal, but still with reasoning ability it is difficult to find any such verifiable evidence for this theory....

Time - It is in fact a creation of man. However we are increasingly seeing evidence in the natural world that the 'concept' behind time is very real... In an earlier reply, I posted a very good documentary on time that is easy to follow. It is truly mind blowing to understand the possibilities of impacting objects at a distant point in time from a different point in time. A Theory that up until recently was regarded as absolute science fiction in the science world.

I am of the opinion that the next couple of decades will bring some verifiable light into what we consider past live, time travel etc.. But I do not think it will be in the mind set society currently believes it to be.. Nonetheless, just as fascinating.

Socks - 'I do believe in fairies... I do I do I do believe in fairies...'

Thanks for the reply Lean'n'mean.

 

[philosophygirl78]

How do you *know* other life forms can't or don't have the concept of gods? How does a dog view its master? How does a whale view the sea?

@LizzieMaine There is no way he nor anyone can know such a thing. To start with, he would need to define what exactly he means by "God". Or the Big Bang for that matter.

Your use of "View" - I like this concept... It can mean and imply many variables of perception. What all does that encompass for you?

 

[LizzieMaine]

I think of "view" as a matter of personal perspective toward the nature of its existence, unique to any living creature. A dog or a horse or a pig or a fly will never have have the "view" of a human being, but neither can a human being ever have the "view" of a dog or a horse or a pig or a fly. Humanity's greatest weakness has been its assumption that it's the only creature capable of having a valid "view." From there, it's just a short hop to assuming that only your particular *variety* of human being is capable of having a valid "view."

For a very long time humans assumed that only we, among all of the world's creatures, are capable of the mental awareness that we exist as individual beings. Now we have evidence that our fellow apes share this sort of "view." And elephants. And dolphins. And whales. And parrots. But who's to say that any other brain-bearing creature doesn't have its own "view" of itself and its place in the world. My cat exhibits every evidence of such awareness -- it's not like my own, but then, I'm not a cat.

That fly circling the garbage can in your garage is the center of its own reality. Who's to say that its "view" is any less worthy of credence than ours?

 

[philosophygirl78]

"Humanity's greatest weakness has been its assumption that it's the only creature capable of having a valid "view."" This is very true. And indeed one of man's pitfalls. I think creedance is in fact given by nature to all creatures great and small, only our accepted perception on matters is what confuses our ability to see it.

One thing I have long since pondered is the concept of "consciousness", if indeed it exists, why would it be limited to simply working organisms that we consider "alive". For example, A Tornado is a system comprised of action, physical characteristics influenced by and influencing its environment. Can this not be a type of "conscious" participant? Same with storms etc.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

How do you *know* other life forms can't or don't have the concept of gods?

I think there would be have been some tell tale signs by now if they did have spiritial leanings. Besides, gods are created by man & often in his own image. I doubt animals would be so conceited.

How does a dog view its master?

As a wolf sees it's pack leader & as a human sees his boss.

How does a whale view the sea?

Impossible to answer but I doubt god has anything to do with it if that's what you're infering, I can imagine though, that they look upon the medium they move through as much the same as I do mine.
I have always thought that if UFO's did exist & aliens had travelled millions of light years to get here, that they would try to make contact with whales & elephants, rather than us. I doubt violent hairless chimps, butchering each other & destroying the planet they live on, would be of much interest to highly evolved E.T.'s.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

want to rest their faith in such an ideal,

Interesting choice of words..

it is difficult to find any such verifiable evidence for this theory.

Isn't that the nature of theories ?

I am of the opinion that the next couple of decades will bring some verifiable light into what we consider past live, time travel

Re your first quote above I fear that humanity may have more 'down to Earth ' preoccupations to worry about during the next few decades...

Thanks for the reply Lean'n'mean.

He says you're welcome....

 

[philosophygirl78]

Interesting choice of words..




Isn't that the nature of theories ?




Re your first quote above I fear that humanity may have more 'down to Earth ' preoccupations to worry about during the next few decades...



He says you're welcome....

Re - "isnt that the nature of theories?" I'm afraid not. the problem with the anthropic principle is that has zero effective foundation for any validity to regard... Think on this... The principle states that basically the universe has been fined tuned for our existence...

Here are the problems presented: #1. How do you define and prove the existence of a thing? This is an age old philosophical problem that has yet to be solved. #2. It assumes that the universe is "alive" or "conscious" in some manner as to tune itself to this mysterious 'existence' of ours.

It is for all intents an illogical web of growing inconsistencies that collapse on itself... You see what Im saying?

 

[Lean'n'mean]

Humanity's greatest weakness has been its assumption that it's the only creature capable of having a valid "view." From there, it's just a short hop to assuming that only your particular *variety* of human being is capable of having a valid "view."

Not sure it's a weakness but it's certainly part of the human condition. Why do you think we have religion, colonization, wars, sexism, racism or Youtube comments ?

For a very long time humans assumed that only we, among all of the world's creatures, are capable of the mental awareness that we exist as individual beings. Now we have evidence that our fellow apes share this sort of "view." And elephants. And dolphins. And whales. And parrots. But who's to say that any other brain-bearing creature doesn't have its own "view" of itself and its place in the world. My cat exhibits every evidence of such awareness -- it's not like my own, but then, I'm not a cat.

Absolutely.

That fly circling the garbage can in your garage is the center of its own reality. Who's to say that its "view" is any less worthy of credence than ours?

Someone with a fly swatter.

 

[LizzieMaine]

I think there would be have been some tell tale signs by now if they did have spiritial leanings. Besides, gods are created by man & often in his own image. I doubt animals would be so conceited. .

I've met a lot of "self made men" who worship their creators, but that's a whole nother point. More to this point -- how do you know what those signs would be? Why should any other creature's perception of the world be strained thru that of a human, or that such a perception would necessarlly follow a human-like heirarchal approach? Who are we to say that when an elephant stands vigil over the bones of a fallen friend that elephant isn't experiencing a deeply spiritual moment?

 

[LizzieMaine]

As a wolf sees it's pack leader & as a human sees his boss.

Until he finds you dead in your bed. Then you're "breakfast."

 

[Lean'n'mean]

. Think on this... The principle states that basically the universe has been fined tuned for our existence...

Put like that I'd have to agree with you.......sounds too much like Genesis chapter 1

 

[philosophygirl78]

Hah!!! Let there be Light!

 

[HudsonHawk]

As long as we're talking sci-fi and time travel, I liked the explanation from Quantum Leap. We think of time like a string, and we are on it, moving from one end to the other. We also think of the string as stretch out straight. But why? What if the string were in a ball, with all points touching each other. Time travel is just a matter of finding a way to move from one part of the string to another at any given moment.

Of course, that's complete crap because time doesn't exist without the separation of space. But I liked that show.

 

[philosophygirl78]

As long as we're talking sci-fi and time travel, I liked the explanation from Quantum Leap. We think of time like a string, and we are on it, moving from one end to the other. We also think of the string as stretch out straight. But why? What if the string were in a ball, with all points touching each other. Time travel is just a matter of finding a way to move from one part of the string to another at any given moment.

Of course, that's complete crap because time doesn't exist without the separation of space. But I liked that show.

PS: We are always traveling through time...

 

[HudsonHawk]

PS: We are always traveling through time...

Well, we are traveling through space-time. One doesn't exist without the other.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Well, we are traveling through space-time. One doesn't exist without the other.

yes. that is correct. and always a moment behind in our perception... one can say in this way that we create the 'past' as conceptual.

 

[Zombie_61]

I asked my dog what he thought about multiverses...

The wisdom of Pluto?

...Given that time didn't exist before the Big Bang, How can we be sure that it exists today? Isn't it just a human creation like mathematics...

Time is indeed a human construct. It is a method for recording events that occurred prior or subsequent to this exact moment, events that can be used as a frame of reference for comparison in order to determine how, and/or if, humankind has progressed since those events occurred. We even count events that haven't occurred yet. "Boy, I'm sure looking forward to seeing that movie that opens next weekend." It hasn't even happened, yet we're counting the passage of time until it does. And once it does occur, we'll count the moments since it's passing; "Boy, that sure was a good movie we saw last week."

And if you think about it, time is mathematics. We're constantly adding moments that we ourselves have defined; seconds become minutes, minutes become hours, hours become days, and so on.

...Conceptual thought is great but enclosed in a primitive primate brain, fantasy pervades reality, if reality exists of course, or can exist on it's own without having to be percieved by human beings to acknowledge it as reality & if so, is what we concieve as reality, really reality ?

That's the thing--we each create our own reality. A simple example would be this: Three people witness an event, let's say a car accident. When recalling the event at a later point in time, each of them might relate different details specific to that event. One might say the driver of the first car was tall, another might say the driver was short. One might recall the second car was brown, while another might say it was red. And so on. So, right there, you have three different realities. And then you have the realities of the drivers of the cars involved, any passengers that might have been in those cars, other witnesses, and so on. A single event can have a multitude of realities. Which reality is the true reality?

 

[Flick]

Yep, you just gotta wonder, what is this "reality" that we find ourselves in?

 

[Bolero]

Wowwwww....I always thought I was fairly intelligent having read Plato's Dialogs and several other pertinent Philosophers and thinking to myself that I was able to comprehend their written thoughts...and then Einstein's TOR and Hawkings Misc writings which have always left me confused...String Theorys ???
But these past 36 or so Posting's convince me that..."I know Nothing absolutely nothing at all"

I think I will stick to Hats and Retro...

 

[Bolero]

Philosophygirl78....You are so interesting...where are you from in terms of Geological Area ?
Where did you learn your Astrophysical Knowledge ?
Where are you employed or are you employed as in working for pay ?
Sorry to be so nosey but I need to know...