Panama Hat Thread

[carouselvic]

Panama Bob hat blocked by Art Fawcett

 

[Duper]

Man, you guys are just killing me with these great Panamas. Come on Summer!

 

[Mark Butcher]

These are beautiful hats. I got a thing for Panamas, but living in Alaska means the wearing season is very short.

 

[Consumer]

Dear Fellow Loungers,
What is a reasonable price to pay for a higher end Montecristi? No, $25K is not an option but what is a realistic price (for the 99% of us) for a high quality one with a consistent weave and has >1000+ wpi. What would one expect to pay in Ecuador versus the US? I just don't want to be striving for one that may never be. . . Any advice would be tremendously appreciated!

 

[Mark Butcher]

Man, you guys are just killing me with these great Panamas. Come on Summer!

Do what I did and take a trip to Hawaii. Panama weather year round.

 

[daizawaguy]

Dear Fellow Loungers,
What is a reasonable price to pay for a higher end Montecristi? No, $25K is not an option but what is a realistic price (for the 99% of us) for a high quality one with a consistent weave and has >1000+ wpi. What would one expect to pay in Ecuador versus the US? I just don't want to be striving for one that may never be. . . Any advice would be tremendously appreciated!

Not sure if this is still valid, but I made an empirical ratio of $100 for 100WSPI, $500=500WPSI, $1000=1000 etc...

 

[Mystic]

Montecristi Panama 26x28 weave count (700-800 wpsi), blocked by Art Fawcett

Teardrop with spine line at the crown roof, 13 ligne black ribbon. Brim is 2.5" front and back, 2 3/4" at the sides.

Other pics in the Hall of Fame thread:
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...Hall-of-Fame&p=1411836&viewfull=1#post1411836

A wonderful piece of work - thank you, Art!

What is the crown height on this panama and the ribbon width?

I don't don't know if it is just the way the photo shows it...but, I like the proportion of ribbon to the crown height.

 

[Rabbit]

What is the crown height on this panama and the ribbon width?

I don't don't know if it is just the way the photo shows it...but, I like the proportion of ribbon to the crown height.

Mystic, the creased crown height is 4 1/4" - 4 3/4" - 3 1/2" (front - sides - back). Open crown it's most likely 5.5".
The ribbon is 13 ligne (2.9cm or 1 1/8").


It's a matter of opinion which ribbon width will work, but as a rule of thumb:

Classic designs on the finer Montecristi Panamas often have a black ribbon of just this width (12-14 ligne range).

16 ligne (3.6cm or a tad wider than 1 3/8") is not rare either and looks very good, too, although this is where it begins to look comparatively wide for a high count Montecristi. Go wider than that and it has proportions that are mostly associated with felt hats (leaving Boaters and some other styles aside).

10 ligne (2.2cm or 7/8"), on the other hand, looks good but definitely thin, and 8 ligne (1.8cm or less than 3/4") is more suitable for women's Panamas.

 

[barrowjh]

Rabbit - really nice hat. I would agree with not putting a wide ribbon on a nice panama. Your ribbon width allows you to 'dress' the hat in various colors using pugs, if you want to, say, to wear a team's colors to a ball game, a more versatile hat.

 

[Mark Butcher]

Not sure if this is still valid, but I made an empirical ratio of $100 for 100WSPI, $500=500WPSI, $1000=1000 etc...

I think you are right about this with the caveat that there are always deals out there.

 

[alanfgag]

Not sure if this is still valid, but I made an empirical ratio of $100 for 100WSPI, $500=500WPSI, $1000=1000 etc...

Well done. I would add that the second hand market might divide the price at each level by five, though I have seen many hats in the 500 wpsi class and very few at 1000.

 

[rlk]

Other qualities of the hat beyond WPSI play a significant role in value, increasing as the WPSI gets above the c.600 range. There are hats with tiny weaves that are not so wonderful.

The $5000.00 + hat would be unlikely to exceed the 2000-2500 range. Some c.1000+ WPSI can get into multiple thousand$$ also.

 

[alanfgag]

Very true, and quickly pushing the mathematical formula out of my comfort zone.

 

[Mystic]

Mystic, the creased crown height is 4 1/4" - 4 3/4" - 3 1/2" (front - sides - back). Open crown it's most likely 5.5".
The ribbon is 13 ligne (2.9cm or 1 1/8").


It's a matter of opinion which ribbon width will work, but as a rule of thumb:

Classic designs on the finer Montecristi Panamas often have a black ribbon of just this width (12-14 ligne range).

16 ligne (3.6cm or a tad wider than 1 3/8") is not rare either and looks very good, too, although this is where it begins to look comparatively wide for a high count Montecristi. Go wider than that and it has proportions that are mostly associated with felt hats (leaving Boaters and some other styles aside).

10 ligne (2.2cm or 7/8"), on the other hand, looks good but definitely thin, and 8 ligne (1.8cm or less than 3/4") is more suitable for women's Panamas.

Thanks.....well, now I know what a Ligne is.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne

silly me for assumeing that it had something to do with the number of ridges per square inch of ribbon or something to do with lenght of ribbon.........lol....:redface:

 

[Rabbit]

Thanks.....well, now I know what a Ligne is.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne

silly me for assumeing that it had something to do with the number of ridges per square inch of ribbon or something to do with lenght of ribbon.........lol....:redface:

lol lol lol

Personally, I find it actually easier to think in terms of ligne when ribbons are concerned. I'm pretty much helpless with inches or cm there. The difference between 12, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22 ligne is not difficult to memorize and recognize. It's the only way I can estimate ribbon widths when I see a hat that's not mine.

 

[Consumer]

That empirical formula will help me get a perspective on the price. Thanks daizawaguy! However, alanfgag's comments about the secondary market is much more appealing to me!! Unless of course, I plan on months of peanut butter and J sandwiches for lunch. Thanks Fellow Loungers!

 

[pjt113]

What is the crown height on this panama and the ribbon width?

I don't don't know if it is just the way the photo shows it...but, I like the proportion of ribbon to the crown height.

Beautiful lid...

 

[Mark Butcher]

Here is my new stingy brim Montecristi. 24x24 wpsi.

 

[Mark Butcher]

 

[Mark Butcher]