Well ive been looking for a second jacket to add to the original ll columbia i had made a couple years ago. I really wanted something that was already broken in but im a size 50ish so pickins are slim. I knew my columbia was based off a stock size 50. Tonight i stumbled across a size 50 goat columbia on ebay that was bought in the store and is an off the rack size. I figured what the heck, i NEVER see langlitz on ebay in big sizes let alone the size mine is based off of. Its a goat, base columbia. If it fits, ill be sending it to ll to add padding to the elbows and shoulders just because i love that detail.