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I agree, I don't see the body of my JL ever becoming very soft...it's really a foul weather winter jacket for me and it outweighs the LW by a large margin. I'm talking by 3 or 4 pounds!The standard JL hide is about 3 oz. That is why the jackets you tried on didn't feel as substantial as the LW. I have one of those, and it is, as you said, "user friendly." I bought it as a street jacket and didn't want a heavy hide. I have another from JL that is about 4 oz. which I bought as a dedicated motorcycle jacket. I would put that jacket up against anything made by LW. I have had it for three or four years, and it still stands on its own. It is broken in and comfortable to wear on the motorcycle, but still very substantial with lots of character. It is more than I want to deal with as a street jacket, but that's not what I bought it for.