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[John in Covina]

Are we not men?

Uh no actually. We are born with these rights. Government only either acknowledges this fact or they repress the people. Government gives nothing it just takes. Regards to all,J

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So much for inalienable.

 

[jamespowers]

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Sign a waiver saying the rider will not hold any one responsible ofr keeping them alive, or they pay more for insurance. If they don't pay more for insurance and are found without helmet of seat beat, the traffic officer is instructed to execute them on the spot. And sell their children into indensured servitude until 18. ANd feel lucky I am being charitable.

Sounds fine to me. [huh]

Regards,

J

 

[jamespowers]

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So much for inalienable.

Exactly:

inalienable
adj 1: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" [syn: unalienable] [ant: alienable] 2: not subject to forfeiture; "an unforfeitable right" [syn: unforfeitable]

Function: adjective
: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred <inalienable rights> —

Good point John. :cheers1:

Regards,

J

 

[Baron Kurtz]

So, no regulation ... and noone in prison (inalienable rights: life, liberty and the prusuit of happiness).

Anarchists, indeed!

Why not overthrow the government? (for the readers from the dept. of homeland security: this is not not my opinion. I am not advocating the overthrow of the government. That was a rhetorical question) If they're useless anyway (government gives nothing, it just takes), why have them at all ...

bk

 

[scotrace]

(for the readers from the dept. of homeland security: this is not not my opinion. I am not advocating the overthrow of the government. That was a rhetorical question)

Ve hef a complete dossier on you.... don't vorry, ve're not going to broadcast it...


One way that has been attempted in preventing future chages to a property is deed restrictions. Written into the deed, they are supposed to govern future use. But they are often ignored - often very correctly so. If you search through even a few such documents at just about any U.S. courthouse, you'll find many clauses restricting future sale to caucasions only. Obviously completely disregarded, and barred by law.

 

[Lincsong]

One way that has been attempted in preventing future chages to a property is deed restrictions. Written into the deed, they are supposed to govern future use. But they are often ignored - often very correctly so. If you search through even a few such documents at just about any U.S. courthouse, you'll find many clauses restricting future sale to caucasions only. Obviously completely disregarded, and barred by law.

With the Alien Land Act in California, any non citizens were prohibited from owning land. Since Orientals were barred from citizenship they effectively could not buy land in California. So why, in December 1941 was 25% of the agricultural land in California owned by Americans of Japanese ancestry? The key word was Americans of Japanese ancestry. When Asiatic immigrants had children the children were automatically American citizens. So the parents waited until the first child turned 18 and then bought land under the child's name. So the law was changed to prohibit anyone from buying land with money from a person who was prohibited from owning land. That law was effectively ignored until World War II when a District Attorney , I think it was Monterey County, named Brasil started to prosecute violators. But, for the 20 years prior to 1941 there were no prosecutions.

 

[Lincsong]

Gunsmoke? Rawhide? Death Valley Days?

I hate to burst any bubbles but any individual rights that you may have are given by the government, not any God.

This quote sounds very Latin. I think I remember that quote from the television show Gunsmoke. Yeah, some Mexican despot told that to an American. Thank God, yes God, that my ancestors got on the boat to the United States and not South America.

By the way, in Alameda County, California it is quite legal for a man, dressed as a woman to use the restroom with the Ladies sign above the door. Seems that the County Supervisors don't want to be judgemental on how a person feels on any given day. But, those same Supervisors see nothing wrong with fining someone $10,000 for cutting down a tree on private property or declaring some dry rotted shacks in Castro Valley that were used for chicken coops 80 years ago as an historical house worth preserving.

 

[Bebop]

This quote sounds very Latin. I think I remember that quote from the television show Gunsmoke. Yeah, some Mexican despot told that to an American. Thank God, yes God, that my ancestors got on the boat to the United States and not South America.

By the way, in Alameda County, California it is quite legal for a man, dressed as a woman to use the restroom with the Ladies sign above the door. Seems that the County Supervisors don't want to be judgemental on how a person feels on any given day. But, those same Supervisors see nothing wrong with fining someone $10,000 for cutting down a tree on private property or declaring some dry rotted shacks in Castro Valley that were used for chicken coops 80 years ago as an historical house worth preserving.

I have no idea what your first paragraph means. Maybe because I am just a dumb So. American [huh] but I do know that your second paragraph is just Apples vs. oranges.

 

[Bebop]

Uh no actually. We are born with these rights. Government only either acknowledges this fact or they repress the people. Government gives nothing it just takes.

Regards to all,

J

You are not born with any rights other than the ones your government allows you to have, my friend. That means you only have the rights a govenment is willing to give you. The only right I can think of along your line of thinking would be the right to think and believe whatever you want to believe and think. Not to act on your thoughts and beliefs but only to think them. I would love to be proven differently. How do we enforce these rights? Which rights are these that are with us from the time we are born that have nothing to do with the government? [huh] If government only takes, what is the need for govenment?

 

[jamespowers]

You are not born with any rights other than the ones your government allows you to have, my friend. That means you only have the rights a govenment is willing to give you. The only right I can think of along your line of thinking would be the right to think and believe whatever you want to believe and think. Not to act on your thoughts and beliefs but only to think them. I would love to be proven differently. How do we enforce these rights? Which rights are these that are with us from the time we are born that have nothing to do with the government? [huh] If government only takes, what is the need for govenment?

We are running in circles with this argument. Read further down the line in the thread and you will see the reference to inalienable rights. Several of these are quantified in the Bill of Rights but as the document says, there are even more rights that are not listed that also are conferred upon the people by God or nature depending on what you believe.
You enforce these rights just as the founding fathers did. If it becomes necessary as Jefferson said "to quench the tree of libery with the blood of tyrants." If You do not want to fight with either your wits in the political process or with your body and being on the line then you do not deserve those rights as Franklin said we have a Republic "if you can keep it."
There is always a higher power than government. The government just represents the people when it becomes necessary, government needs to be taken down. If you are afraid of government and look to it instead of a higher power or if you belive it is the higher power then you are wrong. If government gives people rights then why is that they are always making human actions illegal? That is taking not giving.
Government indeed only takes and I stand behind that statement. That is why government should always be small, impoverished and afraid of the people. That way they are always wary of what they do. The need for government is very small. Aside from national defense, which includes the military, fire, police and a few other minor roles, government exists only to perpetuate itself.
I think what we have here is just a disagreement over the role of government not necessarily the need for government in some cases.

Regards to all,

J

 

[scotrace]

Sunrise and Sundown

Yup. Circular argument now.

 

[Bebop]

Sounds like any further discussion on the govenments role in the U.S. should have it's own thread. This is starting to get fftopic: .

 

[scotrace]

What can happen

OK, here are two houses on my street. Both lovely, perfectly preserved victorians, ca. 1862 & 1864, both built by the same family.

Between them is this public library. The left side dates to the 1950's. The right part is a couple of years old.
Ironically, the rounded gray addition was designed by the architect who lives in the gray house, above.

 

[jamespowers]

Looks fine to me.
Isn't it interesting that your local government decided what to build there and it is not the same as the houses around it when they are probably regulating what others can do just up the street? Hmmmmm.

Regards,

J

 

[Lincsong]

Looks fine to me. Isn't it interesting that your local government decided what to build there and it is not the same as the houses around it when they are probably regulating what others can do just up the street? Hmmmmm.

In California, it's "earthquake retrofit" on government buildings. The Local governments use the scare tactic of "seismically unfit" to justify tearing down government structures. For instance, in one town they tore down a library that was built to seismic standards in 1957 and rebuilt the new one brick for brick as he old one. It looks the exact same. Maybe they put an extra bolt.

Now, if anyone has been to Hearst Castle, Julia Morgan, designed it to seismic standards above what they were in the 1920's, 30's and 40's. The swimming pool at Hearst Castle is above ground. About 3 years ago there was a magnitude 6.7 quake ONE MILE from Hearst Castle. The only thing that happened was that water was pushed out of the pool and a couple artifacts fell off the shelves. Other than that; NOTHING! So the bureaucrats want you to believe that something built 30 years after Hearst Castle is seismically unfit!

But, these City Councils will use "historic preservation" or "community standards" to stop even the most mundane improvements to homes. Private Property is much more sacred and worth preserving.

 

[jamespowers]

But, these City Councils will use "historic preservation" or "community standards" to stop even the most mundane improvements to homes. Private Property is much more sacred and worth preserving.

Historic Preservation is a joke where I am. One house is designated as a historic house and then anything within 300 feet of it is also within their scope of historic preservation. The owners have to comply as if they were the ones designated as Historic sites. Windows, doors, additions---inside or out have to get approved and comply with the state standards. I forget what they are called now though. What about the city in Sothern Cal that designated the WHOLE city a Historical district?
I sure hope nothing around me gets designated because there will be a huge lawsuit over it. Count me out.

Regards,

J

 

[Bebop]

Reading all these posts make me very thankful that I have a place in the sticks where I can't be told what style or how much house I have to have.:eusa_doh: Not having to deal with city ordinances with as much scrutiny as living in the city, I can do alot just outside of Spokane Wa. that there is no way I could do in the middle of San Francisco Ca.:eusa_clap

 

[John in Covina]

I forget what they are called now though. What about the city in Sothern Cal that designated the WHOLE city a Historical district? J

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Makes me think of South Pasadena, a vile viper pit of yuppie larva and old hippies ever all of them fall into the "Usefull Idiot" brigade. They are all for big gobernment until it comes to their homes. The 710 freeway is supposed to go North thru South Pas to hook up woth the 210 and 134, except this bunch won't let it happen. Everything was fine when it wen thru poor neighborhoods, but this bunch are better than everyone else.

 

[Lincsong]

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Makes me think of South Pasadena, a vile viper pit of yuppie larva and old hippies ever all of them fall into the "Usefull Idiot" brigade. They are all for big gobernment until it comes to their homes. The 710 freeway is supposed to go North thru South Pas to hook up woth the 210 and 134, except this bunch won't let it happen. Everything was fine when it wen thru poor neighborhoods, but this bunch are better than everyone else.

Van Nuys was the town that declared itself an historical area.

Up in Oakland there is the MacArthur Freeway (580) a rotting, crumbling mess of interstate that is the ONLY stretch of road in the U.S. that is closed to semi's. Because it goes right through Oakland and is below the uber monied classes of Montclair and Piedmont. So all the trucks are forced onto the Nimitz Freeway (880) another rotting, weed infested mess with pot holes so big Esther Williams could do water acrobatic scenes there. And all the idiots in the area think that's fine because; "well those people in Montclair paid so much for their homes".:rage:

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Van Nuys was the town that declared itself an historical area.

Up in Oakland there is the MacArthur Freeway (580) a rotting, crumbling mess of interstate that is the ONLY stretch of road in the U.S. that is closed to semi's. Because it goes right through Oakland and is below the the uber monied classes of Montclair and Piedmont. So all the trucks are forced onto the Nimitz Freeway (880) another rotting, weed infested mess with pot holes so big Esther Williams could do water acrobatic scenes there. And all the idiots in the area think that's fine because; "well those people in Montclair paid so much for their homes".:rage:

I hate to be picky here...but I will do so anyhow. The 580 is not the -only- stretch of road in the U.S closed to Semi's.

The 110 freeway in Los Angeles, north of the downtown area is an automobiles only freeway. This part of the 110 is known as the Arroyo Seco Parkway. Built in 1940, the oldest section of the route, has stop signs at the ends of all the entrance ramps..etc and the original speed limit on it was 45 mph.

Website reference for the below quote follows the quote itself

"The original portion of the Pasadena Freeway is considered by today's standards to be obsolete and rather dangerous. In its current six-lane configuration, there are no shoulders, although there are periodic turnouts that one can swerve into during an emergency.

Entry or exit from the freeway is a death-defying feat, illustrated by the Avenue 52 intersection in Highland Park. At this point the freeway is depressed and Avenue 52 passes over it. There is one on-ramp and one off-ramp in each direction, each perhaps 100 feet (30 meters) in length. At the bottom of the on-ramp there is actually a limit line and a stop sign. Freeway users must stop at the line, wait for an opening in traffic, and then accelerate from a complete stop directly into traffic moving at 55 mph — there is no acceleration lane.

Exiting the freeway entails pulling onto the off-ramp while still at speed and skidding to a stop. While the freeway is posted for 55 mph (90 km/h), most drivers regard the speed limit as nothing more than guidelines.

When traveling from Los Angeles into South Pasadena, there is a set of sharp, sweeping turns required to keep the freeway within the bounds of the canyon. Since the original design envisioned a much slower traffic flow, these turns are not banked. The speed through them is reduced, but driving this freeway for the first time can be, even for an experienced driver, a hair-raising experience. Despite all this, the freeway is still heavily used by drivers, as it remains the most direct route between Los Angeles and Pasadena for automobiles."

http://www.answers.com/topic/california-state-route-110