Japanese brands rejecting Shinki

[red devil]

It depends on what you are used to and body type I guess. I was wearing my perfecto in Montreal at in the minus 10c - 15c range confortably with a polar sweater under years ago. And here I wear a leather jacket most of the time. With a t-shirt until about 10c and then a thin wool sweater under that.

 

[ton312]

I run hot. Anything over 55 degrees is way too warm for a leather jacket for me, unless it’s at night. My sweet spot for wearing leather is between 32-50 degrees Fahrenheit. I suppose we do get a fair number of days in that range. It’s also true and I will say it’s funny to me that people in warm climates have a much lower threshold for cold. I recall being in South Beach many years ago and it got into the low 40’s and people were legitimately hysterical. It was like an end of days event. That year was one of Favre’s last as a packer and and I remember watching a playoff game in Miami and the temp in GB was like -21 and he was as purple as Thanos, but nearly all those guys were playing in jerseys without a layer.

 

[Aloysius]

I disagree. Here in the Netherlands we can wear leather jackets 9 months of the year since temperatures will be between 50 and 70, which is perfect for wearing my halfbelts or mc jackets. If it's warmer I wear a trucker or cossack, if it's really cold (30F-40F) I wear shearling.

Similar enough in most places I've lived.

 

[Edward]

I'm pretty sure anyone who is above 6' and had to walk on sidewalks at rush hour when it is raining has similar vues...
People are too careless to handle an umbrella without poking all the tall people's eyes out.

I also value the use of my hands, and to me the the umbrella trade-off is not worth it.
I would rather have both my hands free and a hat + jacket than having to dedicate one hand to holding an umbrella.
Maybe if we had three hands it would make more sens, but i'm not giving up 50% of my hands to try to stay dry.

Also i freaking hate umbrellas, burn em all i say!

Heh. I used to feel the same when I was at university in Belfast. The worst of it there is that by the time the rain is on heavy enough for it to be worth the bother of putting a brolly up, inevitably the wind is also strong enough to make it more hassle than it's worth keeping hold of the dern thing. Nowadays in the much less extreme climate (well... apart from the hellish Summer heat!) of London, I do like an umbrella if I'm going to be out and about on a wet day, though if it's going to be wet enough to require that it tends not to be a day for a short leather jacket anyhow. Best raincoat I ever had was a black leather, knee-length trench coat. Tempted by one of those long ones in the History Bunker now...

It depends on what you are used to and body type I guess. I was wearing my perfecto in Montreal at in the minus 10c - 15c range confortably with a polar sweater under years ago. And here I wear a leather jacket most of the time. With a t-shirt until about 10c and then a thin wool sweater under that.

Individual tolerances definitely hit it. My wife hasn't owned a heavy Winter coat in years; on the coldest days this year when I've been in a duffel coat, she's out in a big cardigan... My dad always was more resistant to the cold than my mother - who frequently used to arrive home from work and not take her coat off for two or three hours once she was in the house. Myself, as I've gotten older I don't think I feel the cold any more, but I definitely struggle a lot more with the heat. When I first went to Beijing in May 2006 I was in a wool suit; by 2019 I couldn't even cope with a linen jacket on top of a cotton shirt. Gutted, because I always hoped that "old people feel the cold more" thing would mean I could wear leather all Summer! That said... I have noticed that when I'm not carrying a lot more weight than I should that I feel the cold a lot faster, so with the current weight loss regime (finally one that works; I suspect in large part because I've finally disgusted myself with my own body sufficiently that I'll stick to this one, ha...) I'll hopefully be much better able to resist the heat by this Summer.

Climate is probably a factor as well; I don't find dry rather than humid heat necessarily any easier to bear, but I definitely do a lot better in the dry cold of Winter weather this far south than I ever did growing up on the Northern Edge of the Irish Sea where if it was cold it was almost certainly also damp.

Had I my way, I'd spend the year flitting between different parts of the globe and never experience a Summer again...

 

[Canuck Panda]

I wear my leather jackets 12 months out of the year. During the summer months I wear them inside with the air con or fan on. This is the only way to get them ready for the fall. And for those few days I am not in the mood for leather, I wear wool.

Many downtown core have bans on petrol cars. It's about time we do the same for umbrellas.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

I disagree. Here in the Netherlands we can wear leather jackets 9 months of the year since temperatures will be between 50 and 70, which is perfect for wearing my halfbelts or mc jackets. If it's warmer I wear a trucker or cossack, if it's really cold (30F-40F) I wear shearling.

Well thats pretty awesome. I'd love your weather. I still don't think leather jackets are rhe most practical garments, but I do love them. Tech stuff is much more practical, but usually pretty ugly.

 

[Will Zach]

I'd love your weather.

There are tradeoffs though with the weather - many more sunny days in SoCal than northern Europe. Brighter, too. Jacket-wise though - places like the UK or northern Europe are perfect.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

There are tradeoffs though with the weather - many more sunny days in SoCal than northern Europe. Brighter, too. Jacket-wise though - places like the UK or northern Europe are perfect.

Very true, though I'm weird and find the sun annoying. With that said, if I never saw it I'd probably be happy to see it.

 

[Mich486]

When for 2 months in summer the weather sucks so much that there is hardly a bbq day there is no jacket that could put a smile on your face, trust me

 

[Moostyle]

It's easy to find information, just google "average days of rain in ..."
I'm not saying wearing veg tanned in the rain will damage the jacket, just that i have never worn a veg tanned leather jacket that has kept me dry in Belgian rain.
Even my Thedi and it's waxed finish was fully soaked after 10 minutes out in the rain.
I personally don't believe in umbrellas (i would make them illegal if i had the power to do so), so for me it's chrome tanned jackets most days.

I think the point that the other guys were making is that most people do not need to be so anal as to google the average number of rain days in their country. I also have no clue how many are in mine, or any of those I have lived in within central-ish Europe, and never have thought to look at that information because the rain is largely seasonal and a part of life. As the other posters have said, I think that it is quite rare that people are caught wjholly unprepared out in the open in rain for extended periods of time while wearing a leather jacket. Most of us check the weather forecast in the morning and base decisions on that and carry an umbrella if needed; because it doesn't matter what I am wearing, a $1200 Shinki veg tanned leather or $200 waxed cotton, I still do not want to get soaked.

I would not fret about my Shinki leather jacket experiencing a bit of unexpected wetness in the time it took me to get to shelter or get out my umbrella, because that is just really a completely normal part of daily life and not worth worrying about. Otherwise, what you are describing to my mind borders on some mild kind of OCD.

 

[Aloysius]

I would not fret about my Shinki leather jacket experiencing a bit of unexpected wetness in the time it took me to get to shelter or get out my umbrella, because that is just really a completely normal part of daily life and not worth worrying about. Otherwise, what you are describing to my mind borders on some mild kind of OCD.

With all due respect, this is ridiculous. Having lived in London and having lived in a climate similarly dry to SoCal, it absolutely plays a role in what you choose to wear. It was extremely rare that I was ever not wearing some sort of layer to keep the rain off, in London. That wasn’t OCD but simple practicality.

 

[Moostyle]

With all due respect, this is ridiculous. Having lived in London and having lived in a climate similarly dry to SoCal, it absolutely plays a role in what you choose to wear. It was extremely rare that I was ever not wearing some sort of layer to keep the rain off, in London. That wasn’t OCD but simple practicality.

It's absolutely not ridiculous and I articulated exactly why in the other large part of the post that you didn't quote.

 

[Aloysius]

It's absolutely not ridiculous and I articulated exactly why in the other large part of the post that you didn't quote.

I should have gotten soaked every day in London apparently.

 

[Carlos840]

I should have gotten soaked every day in London apparently.

And London isn't even that wet a place, only 156 days of rain a year compared to 200+ for most of Belgium.
Not sure what Moo thinks he articulated, but he doesn't sound like he spends much time outdoors...

 

[Moostyle]

I should have gotten soaked every day in London apparently.

I did not write anything like that so maybe you need to re-read the posts again with a more rational and logical eye before making exaggerated knee-jerk responses.

And London isn't even that wet a place, only 156 days of rain a year compared to 200+ for most of Belgium.
Not sure what Moo thinks he articulated, but he doesn't sound like he spends much time outdoors...

Moo spends much of his time outdoors as he lives in the one of the most outdoorsy and mountainous countries in the world and is a reasonably fit and outdoorsy type of guy who does a lot of sports and activities and so Moo is used to being out in all kinds of weather in the four traditionally varied seasons of his country that he now knows apparently has 125 days of rain per year in the area he lives. Moo also no idea what you guys think you are trying to articulate, because all Moo essentially wrote is that you can prepare for weather to a reasonable degree and it is rare to be caught wholly unprepared in rainstorms, with no shelter, for extended periods of time, enough to get 'soaked' while wearing an expensive Shinki leather jacket. If it was forecast for bad weather then of course you just wouldn't go out in the jacket or would take precautions not to get too wet. You know, all that 'common sense' kind of stuff you build up over a lifetime of going outside in various types of weather and clothing.

Anyway, Moo know when a conversation has become unproductive so Moo will politely agree to disagree and leave you guys to your thing.

 

[Aloysius]

If I misread your message, then I accept it @Moostyle. This topic came up when I suggested it would be nice if some of Shinki’s chrome tanned leathers were used more often in the western market, as the water resistance makes the jacket more versatile for someone who lives in a wet climate, since the veg tan version will soak through. With such a jacket, you could wear it regardless of the forecast. Does that make more sense?

 

[Carlos840]

I did not write anything like that so maybe you need to re-read the posts again with a more rational and logical eye before making exaggerated knee-jerk responses.



Moo spends much of his time outdoors as he lives in the one of the most outdoorsy and mountainous countries in the world and is a reasonably fit and outdoorsy type of guy who does a lot of sports and activities and so Moo is used to being out in all kinds of weather in the four traditionally varied seasons of his country that he now knows apparently has 125 days of rain per year in the area he lives. Moo also no idea what you guys think you are trying to articulate, because all Moo essentially wrote is that you can prepare for weather to a reasonable degree and it is rare to be caught wholly unprepared in rainstorms, with no shelter, for extended periods of time, enough to get 'soaked' while wearing an expensive Shinki leather jacket. If it was forecast for bad weather then of course you just wouldn't go out in the jacket or would take precautions not to get too wet. You know, all that 'common sense' kind of stuff you build up over a lifetime of going outside in various types of weather and clothing.

Anyway, Moo know when a conversation has become unproductive so Moo will politely agree to disagree and leave you guys to your thing.

My "preparation to a reasonable degree" is wearing a Chrome tanned jacket.
I don't understand why that is unacceptable to you and why that makes me OCD.
That way I don't need to check the forecast, i don't need an umbrella, i don't need to take shelter.

 

[coldaffinity]

My "preparation to a reasonable degree" is wearing a Chrome tanned jacket.
I don't understand why that is unacceptable to you and why that makes me OCD.
That way I don't need to check the forecast, i don't need an umbrella, i don't need to take shelter.

He's just trying to get a rise out of you

 

[Moostyle]

My "preparation to a reasonable degree" is wearing a Chrome tanned jacket.
I don't understand why that is unacceptable to you and why that makes me OCD.
That way I don't need to check the forecast, i don't need an umbrella, i don't need to take shelter.

We must really have crossed wires so sorry if it was confusing for you and lets just drop this conversation and go our separate ways in peace.

He's just trying to get a rise out of you

No I am not, I have zero need to go on to forums to get a rise out of anyone; at worst here there is a misunderstanding in context, so please stop being such a drama llama on his behalf. Thanks.

 

[born113]

Those who thought about chrome leather, please tell me the sellers of the thinnest CXL leather suitable for jackets.