Is this a Cavanagh Edge?

[jamespowers]

Please don't get me wrong i like my vintage hats but at this point

i do not have a handle on the quality differential ( i may not own nor seen the right vintage) and prefer my custom hats.

i do like the quality of some vintage leather sweats more.

regards,

WeeGee



Planned obsolescence (also built-in obsolescence (UK)) is the conscious decision on the part of an agency to produce a consumer product that will become obsolete and/or non-functional in a defined time frame. Planned obsolescence has great benefits for a producer in that it means a consumer will buy their product repeatedly, as their old one is no longer functional or desirable. It exists in many different products from vehicles to lightbulbs, from buildings to software. There is, however, the potential backlash of consumers that become aware of such obsolescence; such consumers can shed their loyalty and buy from a company that caters to their desire for a more durable product.
Planned obsolescence was first developed in the 1920s and 1930s when mass production had opened every minute aspect of the production process to exacting analysis.
Estimates of planned obsolescence can influence a company's decisions about product engineering; there is little business reason to make a product that lasts longer than anyone is expected to use it. Therefore the company can use the least expensive components that satisfy product lifetime projections. Such decisions are part of a broader discipline known as value engineering.

Planned Obsolescence in the Golden era had a big problem---pride in workmanship. Even if you got the cheapest parts for a product at that time it didn't mean they were junk. It just meant they were cheaper. People who worked in factories really took pride in whatever they were putting together---witness cars, hats, clothes and a host of other things you see here that are still around today. That's pride in workmanship. Today it is gone because overseas production has no such thing. When it is assembled in a factory in China where the workers make around $300 per month there is little pride in workmanship. It is just slapped together and falls apart after little use. Check out anything you can buy in a 99 cent store today to see what I am talking about.
Specific to hats, there was a such thing as planned obsolescence but that involved straws more than it involved felts. The old not wearing a straw hat after labor day nonsense. That meant you had to buy a new one next season. Felts lasted a long time not because the factories were desinged to produce hats that lasted sixty plus years but because the workers in that factory took pride in their work and did the best they could with even the cheap hats such as Adam and Champ. Even the cheapest hats are still better than the best off the rack hat of today. That is because of two things really. The first is that they lost a lot of knowledge that was common in the hat heyday. Those hatters are either dead or too old to actually do it again. Secondly, hats are really produced without any pride of workmanship. How could you really look at a cardboard sweatband and think that is a decent material made to last longer than a year or two? Glued in liners and sweatbands?! Ribbons that are barely tacked in place? It is obviousl that they are just going through the motions now. :eusa_doh:

Regards,

J

 

[Matt Deckard]

Another factor is back then they wore what they made, and men were into style... less fashion. If my Stetson wore out after a year I'd buy a Resistol instead... If the Stetson lasted 10 I'd buy another Stetson

 

[jamespowers]

Another factor is back then they wore what they made, and men were into style... less fashion. If my Stetson wore out after a year I'd buy a Resistol instead... If the Stetson lasted 10 I'd buy another Stetson

Completely true when you consider they were spending their finite resources for a product they wanted to last and get the most for their money. Makes sense to me even today.
Men's fashions have always been slower to change than women's though.

Regards,

J

 

[WEEGEE]

I Agree

I just think that some custom hatters of today are doing equal quality

if not better work. I know nothing about felt quality but i trust in the skill

and judgement of those making the hats.

thats all...


most regards,


WeeGee

 

[DOUGLAS]

I recieved a Cavanagh. It is an amazing hat.It is very soft and fits great and has a rich mocha color. It has Cavanagh Edge embossed in the sweat at the front of the hat, however it does not have the welted edge that I assumed was their trademark brim treatment.The crown is 5" and the brim is
2-3/16"ths. Could it be possible that the brim was cut down to that size or did they have different brim treatments? The edge of the brim looks to be fine and untampered with.

 

[jamespowers]

I recieved a Cavanagh. It is an amazing hat.It is very soft and fits great and has a rich mocha color. It has Cavanagh Edge embossed in the sweat at the front of the hat, however it does not have the welted edge that I assumed was their trademark brim treatment.The crown is 5" and the brim is
2-3/16"ths. Could it be possible that the brim was cut down to that size or did they have different brim treatments? The edge of the brim looks to be fine and untampered with.

If it left the factory with a Cavanagh Edge and was labeled as such then it was cut down. Then again, the sweatband could have been changed with an incorrectly labeled one. Do you have any pictures available? That would make it easier to discern.

Regards,

J

 

[DOUGLAS]

I do but I dont think that I have enough posts yet to have that privilege. Once I have gotten to that point I will be showing a lot of pics.

Thanks for the response. I am begining to think that is was cut. Great hat though and very comfortable.

 

[jamespowers]

I do but I dont think that I have enough posts yet to have that privilege. Once I have gotten to that point I will be showing a lot of pics.

Thanks for the response. I am begining to think that is was cut. Great hat though and very comfortable.

i think you will be fine posting pictures now with your current post number. Try PMing me the pictures to check though if you like.

regards,

J

 

[DOUGLAS]

http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/...ID=1430897842/a=41704793_41704793/t_=41704793
sorry I was trying to get the image only.

 

[jamespowers]

http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/...ID=1430897842/a=41704793_41704793/t_=41704793
sorry I was trying to get the image only.

That is the liner and it linked just fine. How about the hat and the edge for a close look? i couldn't get it to work when I inserted it in the

image insert function but that doesn't mean that it can't if done right i suppose.

 

[DOUGLAS]

Well, that did'nt work out so well but at least you can go to the link. The cav is there. I get the hang of it if it kills me

 

[jamespowers]

Well, that did'nt work out so well but at least you can go to the link. The cav is there. I get the hang of it if it kills me

You'll get it. The links are fine enough for now.

 

[DOUGLAS]

If I were only born in the computer age this would be a snap. My daughter has no problem manuvering through the internet. I feel like a dinasaur at times. I will figure it out. Thanks for the help.