cherry lips said:Mojito, what a wonderful post! It makes me wish you were a fifties fan instead, imagine what you could have taught me then!
Among all of my girlfriends, only one has a natural garconne figure (and I'm popular with girls). If you're born with it, be proud. What upsets me is that a physical type that far from the majority of women's natural bodies, that far from femininity, can become the ideal. And knowing women, most of them will try to conform to the ideal (because they want to feel beautiful, confident, etc). We have the same problem today. I say, if men go for school boy bodies, they should become the lovers of actual school boys! 16 year olds with lean, rectangular bodies and perfect behinds. (Hm, I want one too! )
I like Paris, I love Paris, I simply adore Paris.Paisley said:"Neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more."
cherry lips said:Mojito, I say, if men go for school boy bodies, they should become the lovers of actual school boys!
I think we can safely discount that one, Paisley - the Charleston, although the dance itself has roots that go back to African culture, was not popularised in mainstream culture until 1923 when the song was introduced in the Broadway show Runnin' Wild. The term "flapper" predates that, going back to at least the teens.Paisley said:Another theory of the etymology of "flapper": the arm movements of the Charleston. If you put your hands loosely in front of your shoulders and then make your elbows go up and down, you look like you are flapping.
cherry lips said:Among all of my girlfriends, only one has a natural garconne figure (and I'm popular with girls). If you're born with it, be proud.
cherry lips said:I think I'd better quote myself before every garconne gal, and every garconne gal fetischist, starts hating me!
Laura Chase said:Nobody would ever hate you, doll.
Yes, I think it can be compared, considering the media picture today vs. the media picture in the 20's. There's a world of difference and boundaries have been pushed somewhat, to put it mildly.lagunie said:"The 20s could tolerate bare knees, short hair and drinking and a demand for equality, but can that be compared to a 'celebrity' today to appears in porno videos and exposes her crotch when she steps out of a car? That's way beyond bare knees."
This, we can discuss. I agree that there are fewer boundaries to be pushed today. However, I do think someone like Paris Hilton has an important role to play when it comes to the next generation of feminism. Some of the criticism she is met with is very similar to the criticism the flappers met from feminists. I think there is an important step to be made: that women can be both superficial, promiscuous, flirtatious, act stupid, be blonde ect. and STILL be intelligent and earn their own money.lagunie said:People weren't any less ignorant of the realities of life then than they are now but the restraints of society have vanished and what someone like Paris Hilton does isn't rebellion because there is almost no moral walls left to rebel against. She is just pandering to a media starving for someone willing to be exposed the way she is.
Again, I disagree, the "flappers" weren't programmatically creating a lifestyle. It was no intellectual movement or revolution. It gained huge significance and affected many important areas of society, but this was not consciously and programatically intended as a revolution in order to create a new lifestyle by the young girls who made up the "flapper" phenomenon, the 17-year old Janes and Myras from Boston and Kentucky suburbs. It did create a new life style, it got enormous significance, but this was definitely not programmatic.lagunie said:Flappers were creating a life style, Paris Hilton is just a reflection of today's no standards. That's not creativity, it's exposure.
Sure, and who ever that is, they might be the modern day flapper too.lagunie said:By the way, hasn't someone else taken her place by now?