Indy 4 Jacket maker announced

[Michaelson]

He was aware of them, yes. He had worked with Norwak in the past, and needed something fast.

Regards! Michaelson

 

[Kt Templar]

I found out about Wested's involvement with the project a couple of days after they were first contacted by Bernie Pollack and followed the development with bated breath.

There were several reasons, (at least from this side of the pond) why Wested was not eventually chosen, I believe quality was not one of them. I have seen an email where Bernie states that the prototypes sent were 97% there.

Distance, timing, the 2-3 day delivery, time zones and finally sometimes 2 people do not gel together in a working relationship and I believe this was one of them.

Anyway, scuttlebut suggests that the Nowak CS jacket will be significantly more expensive than ANY indy jacket on the market, higher than an Aero A2, maybe approching a Real McCoys.

Other vendors will produce jackets to fill the needs of most pocketbooks.

 

[fedoralover]

Like that time worn phrase goes---"That's Show Business".

fedoralover

 

[KObalto]

Lambskin

Interesting. I wanted to go for a steerhide in order to get something much more hardwearing than lamb. Lamb feels lovely, but I'd be too scared to wear it anywhere other than as a costume piece as it'd tear so easily.

I've had a lambskin jacket for over ten years, we've been through a lot together, and nary a tear. How many torn lambs do you see?

 

[Smithy]

Edward wrote:

But that's not the point, in my view it's not a matter of what the average movie viewer will accept, but wheather the jacket is correct. And while Nowak can obviously get the look right (after copying one that was given to him), so can companies that have always supplied them to us...us being the biggest bunch of stitch fanatics on the planet regarding this jacket. Also, as for Wested being too far away from the production location, I think that point is somewhat valid - however Gibson & Barnes is not..man what about them, how could they have gotten it wrong (I'm assuming they were asked and would have wanted to)? It seams to me that when it was decided that Wested would no longer be the one (because apparently they were really really close) that Bernie Pollock looked for a quick replacement jacket producer, that's how it reads to me anyway and I may be wrong.

Doug C

While I respect your points Doug I have to disagree slightly with them. Being a producer myself (although not feature) I think I can add a little here. Truth be told it is the big Indy fans who are going to spend more time worrying about the jacket than production. The budget is set and the most important thing is making sure that the budget can be met within target. Costume will have sat down with the direction and artistic direction teams and nutted out what they want visually, then told to go do it. All they are concerned with is sourcing a jacket that "does the job", can be easily sourced and that it can be obtained for a good price. So long as the jacket looks good, fits well, it doesn't matter if it falls apart 30 seconds after filming has wrapped, it's done it's job.

At the end of the day costume will go with the jacket that can be obtained from a maker which offers what they perceive to be the best for the job, at the best price and with the most ease. For good or bad the big fans won't come into decisions like this. All productions work under budgetary and time constraints and crews will always be influenced primarily by these factors. The new maker of the Indy jacket will have been chosen because they were in the eyes of the costume department the best and most economical for the job.

 

[Edward]

I've had a lambskin jacket for over ten years, we've been through a lot together, and nary a tear. How many torn lambs do you see?

lol Fair point. My formative experiences with leather were all with mc jackets from the 80s onwards - I have this ingrained preference for heavy, thick leather as a result.

 

[Doug C]

Smithy wrote :

Costume will have sat down with the direction and artistic direction teams and nutted out what they want visually, then told to go do it. All they are concerned with is sourcing a jacket that "does the job", can be easily sourced and that it can be obtained for a good price.

That still doesn't answer the question as to why the obvious makers (American ones) wouldn't have first consideration, that G&B were not even asked is a mistake IMHO..but yeah like someone said - that's show business.

Doug C

 

[tonypaj]

Smithy wrote :

That still doesn't answer the question as to why the obvious makers (American ones) wouldn't have first consideration, that G&B were not even asked is a mistake IMHO..but yeah like someone said - that's show business.

Doug C

I'd take it a bit further, it's not only show business, it's just business. Lots of people (and I'd be one of them) have at least some level of emotional attachment to their favorite movies. To many of the makers, it's just business, and understandably so.

tonypaj

 

[fedoralover]

Surprisingly enough, this time the costumer "'DIDN'T" want costume materials for Ford, that's one of the reason's they went with Adventurebilt's 100% beaver felt fedora and a heavier cowhide jacket as opposed to the lambskin that was in the other movies.
If you have the time to sort through all the post's about it at COW, you'll read that there were certain feature's they wanted in the jacket that weren't in the other movie jackets. Wested was close, but Tony's was closer and he was closer physically and apparently easier to work with. (No offense meant Wested).

As to why G & B weren't asked I never read, perhaps Patterson can shed light on that if he wants to or is able to.

fedoralover

 

[Michaelson]

Smithy wrote :

That still doesn't answer the question as to why the obvious makers (American ones) wouldn't have first consideration, that G&B were not even asked is a mistake IMHO..but yeah like someone said - that's show business.

Doug C

Bear in mind, too, that G&B have NEVER been used as costumer vendors for Hollywood, to my knowledge. They probably weren't even on the vendor list for consideration, and it was only due to Patterson mentioning their name to Bernie that he was even aware they existed.

Regards! Michaelson

 

[Smithy]

That still doesn't answer the question as to why the obvious makers (American ones) wouldn't have first consideration, that G&B were not even asked is a mistake IMHO..but yeah like someone said - that's show business.

Doug C

I'd imagine, that either they would've put tenders out to some makers, or a member of costume would've been told to find out options. Unfortunately they just wouldn't have the time to go to everyone and um and ah about it.

If you have ever worked in production you'll understand. The costume department alone in this will have a 1,001 different things to worry about, with the jacket just one of them. And trust me, most of those 1,001 things don't go according to plan and need fixing, extra work sourcing, the director comes along and says no he wants a lime and white polka dot bow tie, etc, etc. Unfortunately that is show business and the nature of making any kind of film or TV production for right or wrong. They just do not have the time or infinite budget to fuss excessively over one detail.

 

[Doug C]

Smithy wrote :

They just do not have the time or infinite budget to fuss excessively over one detail.

Sorry, I really don't mean to keep argueing over this... but the above statement is even more reason to go straight to a company like G&B..they've done it a thousand times (made the jacket that is), no learning curve and no need to fuss over correcting an imaginary collar issue either. Heck I think they even keep these jackets in stock in various sizes. That's not even to mention that they got the jacket right long ago with the help of some extremely dedicated fans, forget all that. I think it's more likely that when the vendor name was given it was ignored, but again--so what? I'm just saying it's illogical and probably boils down to a personal relations between two individuals which is how business is often done.

Doug C

 

[Michaelson]

Quote: He was aware of them, yes. He had worked with Norwak in the past, and needed something fast.:unquote

As I said in my statement above, it backs your thoughts exactly. He's worked with Norwak, and was comfortable with what he received. He was also on a timeline, and just had no more time to try out 'new talent' before the cameras rolled.

One correction I DO need to make is, he was MADE aware of G&B, but really to late to get them into the game.

Regards! Michaelson

 

[fedoralover]

He's worked with Norwak,
Regards! Michaelson

I think it's spelled "Nowak" isn't Norwak a virus?

fedoralover

 

[Michaelson]

LOL!lol

Yep, but don't tell anyone.[huh]

Regards! Michaelson