I love the Fed IV!!

[scottyrocks]

I think this site seems more credible than any on the story. At this point in time, this is probably as comprehensive a story as a person can find.
http://www.indygear.com/igfedora.html

Yes, that page is generally acknowledged to be the primer on the IJ movie hats.

 

[D00R]

Is the Hat band sewn to the hat? Would I be able to shift it over more towards the front of the hat so I can do the Indy Turn?

 

[Zombie_61]

Is the Hat band sewn to the hat? Would I be able to shift it over more towards the front of the hat so I can do the Indy Turn?

Yes, the ribbon is attached to the crown with small tack stitches. But to accomplish a proper Indy Turn you need to turn the whole hat, not just the ribbon, because doing so is what gives the brim that wavy asymmetrical look. I tried it once, but found it uncomfortable to wear the hat that way.

 

[D00R]

Yes, I was looking at diagrams of how much the hat was turned, maybe for Ford to keep it snug on his head for all the action scenes?
All that needs to be done would be to unstitch the tacs? The ribon wont come apart?

 

[scottyrocks]

Yes, I was looking at diagrams of how much the hat was turned, maybe for Ford to keep it snug on his head for all the action scenes?

Also, to lift the front of the brim out of his eyes.

All that needs to be done would be to unstitch the tacs? The ribon wont come apart?

On most hats I have taken apart, the brim and bow are two separate pieces. Iow, the bow is not actually tied up the way one would do a shoelace. It is strictly decorative. So if you remove the entire ribbon, each piece would need to be tacked down again in their proper places. It is certainly doable, but it will be more time consuming than simply removing tack stitches from a one piece unit and the rotating the whole thing.

 

[RJR]

Yes, the ribbon is attached to the crown with small tack stitches. But to accomplish a proper Indy Turn you need to turn the whole hat, not just the ribbon, because doing so is what gives the brim that wavy asymmetrical look. I tried it once, but found it uncomfortable to wear the hat that way.

+1

 

[Zombie_61]

Yes, I was looking at diagrams of how much the hat was turned, maybe for Ford to keep it snug on his head for all the action scenes?

What I've read is that Ford was filming The Empire Strikes Back when they fitted him for his Indiana Jones wardrobe for Raiders, including the hats. After they cut his hair the hat/hats no longer fit properly, so he gave it/them the infamous "turn" to make it/them more snug.

All that needs to be done would be to unstitch the tacs? The ribon wont come apart?

I agree with Scott; it will definitely come apart simply because a hat ribbon and bow are comprised of several different pieces that are shaped and sewn to the hat in a way that makes them only look like a bow. Also, even if it were simpler, rotating the ribbon and bow wouldn't give the brim it's wavy asymmetrical shape--that was caused mostly by Ford wearing the hats "incorrectly" by turning them.

 

[D00R]

Ohh I just realized theres no reason to remove the ribon its just all about the turn! Lol
I just need to rotate the hat a bit an dgive it the bash, and the ribbon will shifted closer.
Im so obsessing over this hat. Looking at all photos of ever hat.
The price is just excellent.
I think i will order one.

 

[scottyrocks]

Yes, the ribbon is attached to the crown with small tack stitches. But to accomplish a proper Indy Turn you need to turn the whole hat, not just the ribbon, because doing so is what gives the brim that wavy asymmetrical look. I tried it once, but found it uncomfortable to wear the hat that way.

It is at first.

But just like breaking in any hat that needs some breaking in, wearing the hat turned will eventually make the hat conform to your head and eventually it will feel normal when it is turned.

That's how it worked with my Fed III, anyway.

 

[Zombie_61]

It is at first.

But just like breaking in any hat that needs some breaking in, wearing the hat turned will eventually make the hat conform to your head and eventually it will feel normal when it is turned.

That's how it worked with my Fed III, anyway.

I assumed as much at the time, but I was new to wearing hats and wanted a simple "classic" fedora far more than I wanted an Indy hat replica, so I didn't see the point in pursuing it.

 

[scottyrocks]

I assumed as much at the time, but I was new to wearing hats and wanted a simple "classic" fedora far more than I wanted an Indy hat replica, so I didn't see the point in pursuing it.

Yes, I was originally influenced by the 4:30 Movie as a kid, seeing, in the '60s, all those fedoras in those 1940s and '50s films. And none of them were turned.

In fact, until my Fed III, and now my Adventurebilts, none of my other hats are turned.

 

[D00R]

I like how the turn gives it an asymetrical look.

 

[Zombie_61]

^ It does give the hat more of a well-used, lived-in look, as if Indy has had to re-crease and re-shape it a number of times over the years.

 

[Just A Hat Rack]

Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "turning" a hat? Is it literally turning the hat sideways on your head?

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[deadlyhandsome]

Please pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by "turning" a hat? Is it literally turning the hat sideways on your head?

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I don’t know if you can see the faint lines superimposed on the hat in the photo so I also sent you a link

http://www.penmanhats.com/everyman-hats.html



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[Just A Hat Rack]

I don’t know if you can see the faint lines superimposed on the hat in the photo so I also sent you a link

http://www.penmanhats.com/everyman-hats.html



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Well shoot, I get it now. I never knew this was a thing. Thanks Brent.

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[Scuttle]

I don’t know if you can see the faint lines superimposed on the hat in the photo so I also sent you a link

http://www.penmanhats.com/everyman-hats.html

Do any of you have this actual hat?

From the images above, I'd think the hat would simply look mis-creased (y'know, like when one rests a formerly open-crown hat properly on one's noggin and realizes that one failed to center the front pinch with the hat/one's nose when creasing?...) vs. the effect of the original(s), wherein the hat's brim/shape itself was distorted by Ford's placing it on his head akimbo-- a disruption of the oval.

?

~ S.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Well shoot, I get it now. I never knew this was a thing. Thanks Brent.

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Welcome. I’m not an Indy guy, but I’d like to own a Penman!

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Do any of you have this actual hat?

From the images above, I'd think the hat would simply look mis-creased (y'know, like when one rests a formerly open-crown hat properly on one's noggin and realizes that one failed to center the front pinch with the hat/one's nose when creasing?...) vs. the effect of the original(s), wherein the hat's brim/shape itself was distorted by Ford's placing it on his head akimbo-- a disruption of the oval.

?

~ S.

The hat in the photo is from the Everyman line; however, the Penman hats are accurate to the actual Indy hats. This is how the movie hats were (at least that’s what I’ve been told).

 

[Bamaboots]

I don’t know if you can see the faint lines superimposed on the hat in the photo so I also sent you a link

http://www.penmanhats.com/everyman-hats.html

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Thanks for that, Handsome. Never knew what the "turn" was. Now educated, I understand better why I never cared for the look.