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[dudewuttheheck]

I think it's time to stop arguing about generational differences.

For the most part, we get along fairly well here.

This discussion is only going to get worse. I advise we cut this out now or close the thread.

To help, here is a nice subject change:

 

[Monitor]

But the thing is, it's always the same. The problems young(er) people face today are not less real to them just because someone with a point of comparison thinks they've had it worse. They're equally difficult, hard and important and the fact that someone without that comparison, someone that has had it "good" can still see the injustice and wants a better world is in my view, very commendable.

Is it war, hunger and hardship that we want to build anyone's character? I don't think I'd be any happier if the worst problem we have to face is a phone separation anxiety. . .

And the most ironic thing is that we're having this discussion on a forum that's all about luxury clothes. Oh, oh, time to strut around the mall but whatever am I going to wear today and present myself to the rubble, uneducated in the ways of fine tailoring and quality materials.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

But the thing is, it's always the same. The problems young(er) people face today are not less real to them just because someone with a point of comparison thinks they've had it worse. They're equally difficult, hard and important and the fact that someone without that comparison, someone that has had it "good" can still see the injustice and wants a better world is in my view, very commendable.

Is it war, hunger and hardship that we want to build anyone's character? I don't think I'd be any happier if the worst problem we have to face is a phone separation anxiety. . .

And the most ironic thing is that we're having this discussion on a forum that's all about luxury clothes. Oh, oh, time to strut around the mall but whatever am I going to wear today and present myself to the rubble, uneducated in the ways of fine tailoring and quality materials.

Exactly. People always say a certain generation has things worse than another which is pretty much untrue. History has this funny habit of repeating itself over and over again. Also, we humans are not as evolved as we like to think we are. We make the same stupid mistakes over and over again.

This is why the arguments here need to have run their course. There is not point in discussing any further.

 

[Monitor]

Exactly. People always say a certain generation has things worse than another which is pretty much untrue. History has this funny habit of repeating itself over and over again. Also, we humans are not as evolved as we like to think we are. We make the same stupid mistakes over and over again.

This is why the arguments here need to have run their course. There is not point in discussing any further.

There wasn't any in the first place and I don't know when, how or why did it get so serious.

Hey, how about those Knicks?

 

[dudewuttheheck]

There wasn't any in the first place and I don't know when, how or why did it get so serious.

Hey, how about those Knicks?

I don't either, but I just want it to cool off here.

Dunno... all I know is that the Lakers are garbage and we now have 2 terrible football teams instead of no terrible football teams here in LA.

 

[Big J]

@Woodyear,
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or troll you. My posts aren't flaming you.
I'm just criticizing 90%+ of millenials. And to be fair, they bring it on themselves with their sheer vapidity.


If you had two teenage daughters, your opinion of the young men of today would perhaps be pretty different, and like me, you might take the precaution of keeping a shovel and two bags of cement in the garage.

 

[ton312]

we now have 2 terrible football teams instead of no terrible football teams here in LA.

Still better than the Bears

 

[Seb Lucas]

@Woodyear,
If you had two teenage daughters, your opinion of the young men of today would perhaps be pretty different, and like me, you might take the precaution of keeping a shovel and two bags of cement in the garage.

Yep. And I also keep a roll of Pro Gaff tape and 4 meters of sheet plastic handy.

 

[Sloan1874]

Just to drag back to things tapered. I've always thought that the best fashion followed function and the thing with heavily tapered jeans and the dropped crotch look is that I can't see the point of them: flares / boot cut = naval / cowboy-inspired, Oxford bags = college boating over trousers etc. It's like in the 80s, when people started pushing their suit jacket sleeves up their arms, what possible use does that serve anyone other than the capacity to pull the sink on a plug without having to take the jacket off?

 

[navetsea]

dunno what generation I belong to, driving licence says 39, but I feel 19 or even 9 sometime when I watch funny cat videos on youtube

 

[Graemsay]

This is all very interesting as I need some help finding a jean that fits properly over engineer boots (Red Wings).
I'm new to the selvedge world and I've only tried one brand yet, The Unbranded UB221 (21oz) and UB201 (14oz I think), both straight tapered. Nice jeans that are quite affordable, good quality fabric and cut but it doesn't fit well over the boots, to tight.
I'd like it to find a selvedge medium weight to 21oz max. Preferably of a middle of the road brand so not too expensive.

Suggestions?

@Fonzie since you're in Adelaide, I'd suggest dropping by Right Hand Distribution. They carry Iron Heart, Samurai, Sugar Cane, and Mister Freedom. OK, they're not cheap brands, but it'll be a good place to start.

Iron Heart's 634 cut, and most styles by Mister Freedom would be suitable for use with engineer boots.

 

[Graemsay]

Gibson's trilogy (Pattern Recognition, Spook Country, Zero History) had some good comments to make on fashion. I loved the 'mall ninja' idea.

Here's an interesting interview with Gibson, in which he discusses fashion and clothing.

 

[navetsea]

btw all my jeans are skinny jeans, with elastene, tapered leg, and all, basically I want them just like a BoardRacer would fit. and I bring them to tailor to add ankle zipper, every single one of them.

so be it if random stranger think I'm a rockstar, will gladly take as compliment, sounds much "$$$richer$$$" than freelance illustrator and comic artist...

I think body type is the most important factor here, when I wear straight leg or slim-straight, I look like wearing karate pants on my figure, also my hip bone is wider than my waist, so here elastene in the fabric helps, don't really care of my age, skinny works on me, so I'm wearing them regardless of trends

 

[Big J]

@Greamsay, zebedee,

I used to idolize Gibson, and regarded him and his early work as visionary.
Then, about 25 years ago, WIRED interviewed him in Tokyo about the first of his 'bridge trilogy', and he came over as a really pretentious fool who fell for every Japan myth in the book, hook, line and sinker.
Then after Pattern Recognition came out, I read another interview with him where he said at the time he wrote the book that he never knew MA-1 jackets were never actually issued in black, and he never knew that BR didn't make them in black either. BR used to say on their Japanese website that he was shocked when they contacted him and told him after the publication of Pattern Recognition.

And here's Gibson in the article you linked above, fudging that narrative to conceal his mistake and lack of understanding. He chose black because of (some pretentious bs about) his character.

The thing is, there's another website out there that shows where Gibson lifts whole blocks of texts about people, places and business and pretty much copies and pastes them into his PR series of books (I'm thinking specifically of the motorbike couriers in London, which almost ver batum came from an issue of U.K. Esquire magazine IIRC).

It's kind of like that thing of never meeting your idols and feet of clay thing. I feel very deceived by him.

And then I learned he was a Vietnam draft dodger too.

 

[Edward]

Just to drag back to things tapered. I've always thought that the best fashion followed function and the thing with heavily tapered jeans and the dropped crotch look is that I can't see the point of them: flares / boot cut = naval / cowboy-inspired, Oxford bags = college boating over trousers etc. It's like in the 80s, when people started pushing their suit jacket sleeves up their arms, what possible use does that serve anyone other than the capacity to pull the sink on a plug without having to take the jacket off?

Cavalry trousers were traditionally tapered towards the ankle (still are in military dress uniforms) in order that they would fit neatly into tall riding boots (a couple of years ago, gonig to a Sixties theme party, I tried to tuck my 40s cut jeans into my engineer boots.... it was hella difficult, I can tell you!). In ladies' fashion, around the time that skinny jeans came in first I seem to remember them being worn tucked into tall boots a lot. There wasn't the equivalent for the men, though, so I've got no idea why that became a thing. Unless it really was as simple as fashionworld deciding they could produce stuff more cheaply by selling the same thing to both sexes.
The dropped crotch is still, I think, a function of the fashion world basically selling the same cut to men and women, despite difference in body shape. Got to wear them lower in the waist if you have male undercarriage. What I find odd is that it has hung around so long despite being so desperately uncomfortable. I've worn my fair share of silly looking stuff over the years, but I never stuck with anything I found uncomfortable. When I wore drainpipes they had a high waist, were cut for men ,and were extremely comfortable.

 

[Feraud]

The dropped crotch is still, I think, a function of the fashion world basically selling the same cut to men and women, despite difference in body shape. Got to wear them lower in the waist if you have male undercarriage. What I find odd is that it has hung around so long despite being so desperately uncomfortable.

I too am baffled as to how this awful trend has stuck around.

 

[ton312]

The harem pants take it to a whole new and sad level. Some are actually sweatpants material made to look like jeans. What possible series of thoughts goes thru a mans head to make them think "yeah, I'll wear this today"

 

[Fanch]

I too am baffled as to how this awful trend has stuck around.

Gradually morphed into drivel and nonsense which is actually how it started out, although somewhat entertaining. Nice thread though to empty one's mind.

 

[Edward]

The harem pants take it to a whole new and sad level. Some are actually sweatpants material made to look like jeans. What possible series of thoughts goes thru a mans head to make them think "yeah, I'll wear this today"
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What always amuses me is that how we look at them.... well, that's how they view us.....

 

[Monitor]

Yeah, exactly. Harem pants wearing bathroom mirror torsos on bodybuilding.com would probably lol hard at this guy.