To be fair, from our experience with Bill Kelso on here and from reading Stuart's Lost Worlds' website - still the worst of all the makers by a long chalk - you could be forgiven for arriving at the conclusion that both are jerks.
To be fair, from our experience with Bill Kelso on here and from reading Stuart's Lost Worlds' website - still the worst of all the makers by a long chalk - you could be forgiven for arriving at the conclusion that both are jerks.
@red devil Okay, I need a quick time out here, and ask, do you think I'm attacking you? Because I'm not trying to attack you. I'm not even trying to convince you to buy a Good Wear. What I'm trying to do is answer the questions you're asking, but I'm getting the impression that you're taking every response very personally...
As I said, I have never dealt with Bill Kelso so I can't comment here. As for the Lost World site, whatever you think it is, it at least is honest and that put it way above the GW website that is simply dishonest.
I am not taking it personally, and I am not attacking you either. I am simply finding it weird the lengths you will go to defend John Chapman when it is pretty much indefensible. But this does not apply only to you.
I really liked what @El Marro said, he likes GW but can understand our disappointment.
And I think that @willyto 's post really resumes the situation very well.
I agree with both points. Unfortunately I think this is where GW threads are headed for awhile unless/until the wait list situation is straightened out.I like the OP's jacket but this thread turned into a garbage pile quite fast.
How do you know that John Chapman is using $200 deposits to fund his jacking making because his cash flow and operation hinges on it"? Perhaps you have studied his accounting books and can enlighten us further? Or are you just dumping pure speculation in a slanderous manner?Stu was a straightforward forward professional that knew his trade and provided a top-tier jacket exactly when promised. No less passionate because he is a competent businessman. Stu is the man.
Far as I can tell, JC does not fix the waiting list problem, easy as it would be, because his cash flow and operation hinges on it. It’s why he comes out of the woodwork to answer emails about refunds and ignores most everything else. It’s why he can’t be truthful about the wait times on his website. But hey, he is friendly and passionate that one time every two years someone gets a hold of him, so all cool bro.
I would hate to be his accountant and may the IRS have mercy on his soul if he does his own books and they ever get around to auditing him.
How do you know that John Chapman is using $200 deposits to fund his jacking making because his cash flow and operation hinges on it"? Perhaps you have studied his accounting books and can enlighten us further? Or are you just dumping pure speculation in a slanderous manner?
I don't think this thread has turned bad at all. There's actually a consensus forming:
- JC makes highly appreciated jackets that some think are touched by genius.
- JC struggles to communicate and has an unorthodox approach to business which may have drastic consequences.
Is there anything else?
Anything else about character or motive is pure speculation.
Does JC deserve special consideration because of his skill/reputation, as some insist? That sounds like special pleading and I would say probably not. All makers deserve the same level of respect unless they loose it through word or deed.
I agree with both points. Unfortunately I think this is where GW threads are headed for awhile unless/until the wait list situation is straightened out.
are you serious? and if so what's stopping you?It might not have to be this way if we take the time to think about it...
How about about we create a thread to inform people about John's business style? It could be labelled something in the line of "Things to know before you place your order with Goodwear".
It would include only facts and nothing about his character whether good or bad, and these would includes items such as:
- The fact that the waiting time on the official website is false
- Some of the customers get preferential treatment and get put ahead of others who have been waiting for a longer time
- The oldest known unfulfilled orders are currently clocking at over 5 years
- The inexistent communication until you ask for a refund or get chosen to spec your jacket
Surely we will all agree that this is a reasonable step to keep everybody informed in a reasonable and fair manner.
It would work best as a sticky thread