Goatskin

[scrawlysteve]

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I believe you can still find a one goat back Worf...

....but society does frown upon such things....

 

[Seb Lucas]

Not in all countries...

 

[samo]

I like the look of the wear in the goat and would not like the dye to be right through. Classic era jackets when worn for a while lost their surface dye spray showing a lighter hide underneath. It's part of the golden era jacket look for me. Kangaroo is very dense leather and the jacket I had in it didn't break in after a decade. Stiff and bloody uncomfortable. You'd want to carefully check what the tanning process was like for the roo.en

Thanks, I did not thought that roo hide could be stiff? By the way the AL goat is aniline sprayed and I am worried that aniline layer will be removed by wear. So do Your jacket need some regular treatment?

 

[thor]

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I believe you can still find a one goat back Worf...

One of the funniest posts I've seen! Thanks for the chuckle Bunyip.

 

[Seb Lucas]

Thanks, I did not thought that roo hide could be stiff? By the way the AL goat is aniline sprayed and I am worried that aniline layer will be removed by wear. So do Your jacket need some regular treatment?

A new jacket doesn't need any treatment for 5-10 years in my view. They are meant to be worn and to become scarred, faded and creased. Maybe there is some soft roo out there but I haven't seen it yet. I think it is similar to horse hide in that it is very dense. US Wings sells a Roo Indiana Jones jacket for around $600. I don't know much about it but you could email them.

 

[schitzo]

@ Seb and anyone else with an AL jacket in goat

Was the collar uncomfortable and in need of some shaping to begin with? I am just wondering if with goatskin there is merit in a half cord half leather collar. For me there definitely is with FQHH

 

[handymike]

Schitz, are you talking with the thick Aero/ Horween FQHH? I can see that, but will the collar hold it's shape with the cord backing?
I'm wondering if cord backing on Shinki might make it too floppy....

 

[Seb Lucas]

@ Seb and anyone else with an AL jacket in goat

Was the collar uncomfortable and in need of some shaping to begin with? I am just wondering if with goatskin there is merit in a half cord half leather collar. For me there definitely is with FQHH

Schitz, the collar definitely needed some shaping but I prefer all leather. Would it be the underside of the collar you would have as fabric?

 

[pauleway]

Schitz,

I do not have pics of my AL jacket, but my russet goat is pretty soft (right out of the box), but I did ask Amanda to use the "softest", "grainiest" they had. It is definately lighter weight than FQHH though. I have a few new jackets that I want to post if I can get my daughter over to take pics and help me post them!:eusa_doh:[huh]

 

[Seb Lucas]

Obviously goat varies . Mine has a hard almost crispy surface. It feels light and strong but doesn't mould to me or feel especially comfortable as yet.

 

[Bunyip]

I was really suprised at how "stiff" the goat sample from aero was compared to the Langlitz goat, which is very soft and pliable..feels like a totally different creature all together. Quite confusing for a rookie.

 

[schitzo]

Schitz, are you talking with the thick Aero/ Horween FQHH? I can see that, but will the collar hold it's shape with the cord backing?
I'm wondering if cord backing on Shinki might make it too floppy....

Is there such a thing as a too floppy collar?

Schitz, the collar definitely needed some shaping but I prefer all leather. Would it be the underside of the collar you would have as fabric?

yeah, the underside. Like on my aero 1920a Hercules. In my experience with this herc such a collar works very well for Horween FQHH

Schitz,

I do not have pics of my AL jacket, but my russet goat is pretty soft (right out of the box), but I did ask Amanda to use the "softest", "grainiest" they had. It is definately lighter weight than FQHH though. I have a few new jackets that I want to post if I can get my daughter over to take pics and help me post them!:eusa_doh:[huh]

Thanks for the update Pauleway. Hopefully your daughter is gonna be in a cooperative mood one day soon

 

[Elmonteman]

Another possibility for a goatskin jacket is Lost Worlds. http://www.lostworldsinc.com/A-2_Flight_Jacket_Goatskin_Leather.htm I have one of their A-2's in goat and it's one of my favorites. Although not generally discussed, Stuart usually has an interesting variety of other hides besides horse. I have two of their jackets in deer black and brown) and I noticed that they also have some moose at the moment in the "Limited Edition" section.

 

[MuyJingo]

I briefly had a halfbelt from AL in black goatskin, which is veg and chrome tanned. It was very stiff and would definitely need to be broken in. Very very nice leather though.

I currently have a black goatskin halfbelt from JL, which is considerably more softer and does not need to be broken in much at all. Feels and looks very beautiful. The JL goatskin is chrome tanned only.

I also had a sample from Langlitz sent out, and as far as feel and durability it seemed equal to the hide from JL. One difference is the Langlitz sample was a lot smoother than the JL hide, which I think is a shame to remove the pebbliness of the leather.

 

[ykurtz]

I also had a sample from Langlitz sent out, and as far as feel and durability it seemed equal to the hide from JL. One difference is the Langlitz sample was a lot smoother than the JL hide, which I think is a shame to remove the pebbliness of the leather.

I see pebbling in my finished goatskin jacket, however. It was smooth when I got it originally. I think after awhile the grain starts to pop out a bit.

 

[Smithy]

I see pebbling in my finished goatskin jacket, however. It was smooth when I got it originally. I think after awhile the grain starts to pop out a bit.

That's my experience with goat. In areas where the leather bends a lot and creases, the grain tends to pop out and become more pronounced.

Goat often tends to be relegated to second behind HH which I think is a shame as worn goat can look amazing, plus it's one of the hardest wearing hides out there.

 

[MuyJingo]

That's interesting, I didn't know that about goat.

I would think though if a hide is more pebbly to start with, it will always be more pebbly?

 

[Smithy]

I would think though if a hide is more pebbly to start with, it will always be more pebbly?

Very true. But goat grain (just from my experience) seems to have a tendency to become far more pronounced in areas of wear and movement.

 

[MuyJingo]

Grain and "pebbliness" are not the same thing though, are they? The pebbliness of goatskin seems to be something more or less unique to goatskin, while grain is something that all leathers have and show in different ways?

 

[ykurtz]

Grain and "pebbliness" are not the same thing though, are they? The pebbliness of goatskin seems to be something more or less unique to goatskin, while grain is something that all leathers have and show in different ways?

Pebble is a descriptor for grain. Hence the term "Pebble Grain" which is used quite often in the industry.