goatskin or lambskin

[bobjones]

Well I'm afraid you & the "many others" are wrong. It's a well known fact the strength-to-weight ratio of goatskin is higher than other leathers. Hence the best motorcycle racing leathers are made of goat - lightweight, supple & tough.

Here's a quote from the site linked below,

"Why Goatskin Gloves?
Goatskin is renowned for being the leather offering the highest abrasion resistance available. In addition, goatskin gloves provide you above normal finger dexterity, allowing you to do many more things without having to remove the gloves."

http://www.chilhowee.net/motorcycle-gloves/GL-IM011.html#here

I do agree with you in as much that my 4oz HH LWs J23 would allow me to feel less pain from bumps/blows due to falling than would one of my goat G1s. That would be due to the "padding' effect offered by the thicker hide.

I have read that the toughest, most abrasion-resistant hide is kangaroo. That being said, I think there might be some confusion about what HoosierD said earlier, about the value of abrasion-resistance vs. protection in a crash. Like diamond, goat is hard to scratch with a pointy/sharp object, but that doesn't by definition translate to protection in a MC fall. FQHH is thicker (can goat even be offered in a 5 oz weight?), and while its top layer might show some abrasion more than goat, it will offer more protection, and I do not believe that this is purely because of its relative thickness. A materials scientist would need to weigh in here.

Interesting website read John z, thanks for the link.

 

[john z]

I have read that the toughest, most abrasion-resistant hide is kangaroo. That being said, I think there might be some confusion about what HoosierD said earlier, about the value of abrasion-resistance vs. protection in a crash. Like diamond, goat is hard to scratch with a pointy/sharp object, but that doesn't by definition translate to protection in a MC fall. FQHH is thicker (can goat even be offered in a 5 oz weight?), and while its top layer might show some abrasion more than goat, it will offer more protection, and I do not believe that this is purely because of its relative thickness. A materials scientist would need to weigh in here.

Interesting website read John z, thanks for the link.

You argue a good case there bobjones &, while I don't necessarily agree, I agree that to take this further would require input from a specialist.

Nice that you found the link interesting. I did notice that when reading about their Dearskin gloves they contradict the claim that Goat is the the most abrasion resistant. I quote,

"Deerskin is the Best Choice

Deerskin motorcycle gloves are luxurious and soft. They have a natural tendency to form to the hand and are naturally water repellent properties. If that doesn't get your interest, then keep reading.

Unlike cowhide motorcycle gloves, Deerskin motorcycle gloves have stretch width-wise and very little stretch length-wise. That means a perfectly fitting motorcycle glove that will expand with your hand when you make a fist or grip something, but with fingers that won't stretch or become floppy.

The physical structure of deerskin leather is different than other type of hide. Its elongated interwoven leather fibers give it an extremely high shear strength and abrasion resistance. The spaces between the fibers make the leather soft and comfortable over a wide range of temperatures. In other words: cooler motorcycle gloves in warm weather and warmer leather gloves in cold weather. No other leather hide has these properties!

Abrasion Resistance. Despite its soft, supple feel, Deerskin motorcycle gloves are more abrasion resistant than cowhide, goatskin, lambskin, pigskin, or horsehide. Deerskin is leather that doesn't seem to wear out, but just quietly gets better and better. And if you find yourself sliding across the pavement at any speed, you'll be glad you chose Deerskin motorcycle gloves.

Whenever your Deerskin motorcycle or driver gloves get soiled, they can be hand-washed. When they get wet they won't shrink - and will stay soft even after air-drying! Don't try that with any other leather!"

 

[Carlisle Blues]

It is quite obvious that you guys hold PHds in this topic.

I am glad I listened to your advice and got a goatskin otherwise I would have had a trashed jacket on my hands. Thanks:eusa_clap

 

[Peacoat]

Carlisle Blues: Your new avatar is scary.

John Z: I followed the link posted in an earlier message and read the article about deerskin gloves. I wasn't going to comment on it, but since it is now posted, I have to wade in.

I have a pair of quality deerskin motorcycle gloves. They are not abrasion resistant. A month or so ago I was using a can of spray paint to mark a motorcycle exercise on asphalt pavement. As it was fairly cold I left my gloves on while spraying the marks. When finished I had a red spot of paint on the tip of the glove on the index finger. I rubbed the tip of the glove on the asphalt. The paint came off, and with it a good portion of the tip of the deerskin glove.

While I may wear the deerskin gloves for training and competition at slow speeds because of the sensitivity of the leather, I certainly won't use them for trips or any other highway speed riding.

 

[kojax]

i might have to go with the deerskin g-1 instead of the lambskin g-1 lol lol

 

[rgraham]

I understand that Trojan makes some of their condoms out of lambskin. No word on the use of FQHH, cow or goat. Perhaps there is a lesson here.

 

[Carlisle Blues]

i might have to go with the deerskin g-1 instead of the lambskin g-1 lol lol

It appears that you are trying to get a rise out the good people in this forum.[bad]
Nevertheless I hope someone responds to you I've learned a great deal based on your efforts:eusa_clap

 

[john z]

Carlisle Blues: Your new avatar is scary.

Agreed but somehow appealing :eusa_clap

John Z: I followed the link posted in an earlier message and read the article about deerskin gloves. I wasn't going to comment on it, but since it is now posted, I have to wade in.

I have a pair of quality deerskin motorcycle gloves. They are not abrasion resistant. A month or so ago I was using a can of spray paint to mark a motorcycle exercise on asphalt pavement. As it was fairly cold I left my gloves on while spraying the marks. When finished I had a red spot of paint on the tip of the glove on the index finger. I rubbed the tip of the glove on the asphalt. The paint came off, and with it a good portion of the tip of the deerskin glove.

While I may wear the deerskin gloves for training and competition at slow speeds because of the sensitivity of the leather, I certainly won't use them for trips or any other highway speed riding.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Just goes to show that a practical test is the best measure regardless of marketing claims to the contrary.

 

[kojax]

g-1 lambskin

hello my g-1 dark seal lambskin is coming monday from gibson -barnes yippy they say the jacket will be easy to wear not has heavy as goatskin. i will get some picture up......

 

[john z]

hello my g-1 dark seal lambskin is coming monday from gibson -barnes yippy they say the jacket will be easy to wear not has heavy as goatskin. i will get some picture up......

Just make sure it doesn't come into contact with anything more abrasive than cotton wool or it's sure to result in holes lol

 

[kojax]

i am just going to wear the jacket for casaul wear. i am sure gibson barnes makes a nice lambskin jacket the leather they use is nice. i have some of there jackets no problems so far.........

 

[kojax]

sample

i just got a simply from gibson-barnes on there dark seal lambskin very nice and has a nice finish on the leather........they told me there lambskin is alot better then the lambskin you see in the mall.

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Hi Peacoat & JohnZ

Boo

Didn't mean to scare you

Can't wait to see your pix Kojax. Make sure the flash is not too bright might hurt lamby. lol lol lol

 

[kojax]

everybody bitches about lambskin jackets. i just got the cockpit catalog everything in the catalog is lambskin jackets. they make the a-2 jacket with lambskin and the g-1 to with lambskin......so lambskin can not be that bad......they been making this jackets for years...........us wings to make lambskin to.........

 

[Carlisle Blues]

everybody bitches about lambskin jackets. i just got the cockpit catalog everything in the catalog is lambskin jackets. they make the a-2 jacket with lambskin and the g-1 to with lambskin......so lambskin can not be that bad......they been making this jackets for years...........us wings to make lambskin to.........

Lambskin is great ... if you are just going to sit around and look pretty.

 

[kojax]

lol that is me lol .......

 

[Carlisle Blues]

lol that is me lol .......

Yep, I thought so very, very cute lol

 

[holdemchamp1225]

Lambskin is a great hide BUT....

as stated by others, goatskin is much more durable and a tougher hide that once broken in feels great as well and just as soft and supple as lamb over time.

 

[Peacoat]

But Kojax wants lamb. For his uses that will be fine. Carlisle is just getting in some friendly jabs at him.

 

[Carlisle Blues]

But Kojax wants lamb. For his uses that will be fine. Carlisle is just getting in some friendly jabs at him.

We should all get what we want no matter how flimsy it may belol lol lol

Kojax is a nice sort