German & Austrian Hutmachers

[Guven]

If the Hat didn't have a Liner it had a Crown Tip Patch. The Liner or Crown Tip Patch might give us additional information but as I mentioned I believe it's a Non Branded Hat so wouldn't probably be helpful. The Paper Label has no Company Mark and the format doesn't match any Branded German hat company (I can check some more). The Paper Label could also be from Distributor but again No Mark.

As Daniele pointed out there are French hats with similar Form, Dimensions and Felt + Finish from the time period mentioned by Matt. Same as others such as Tonak (Czechoslovakia).

"Flamand" is a French term but it was also used by German Hat Companies. The German definition of Flamand is the following.

"The unclipped (unshorn) velour hair is called “Flamand”, in this case the hair is long, undulated, soft and glossy as it reflects a lot of light."

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Thanks for the additional information Mayserwegener. Again, I appreciate you looking into it. If you get any other information on it, please let let me know. In the the meantime, I am looking forward to the weather getting a bit cooler so I can start wearing my hat again

 

[steur]

Borchert Berlin W, 58cm, date stamped Dec. 13, 1957. This is a really great Homburg. I am fairly certain it was made by Mayser. The Felt is fantastic but of a heavier weight so looks great without side dents.

I believe the number sequence is actually a date. It's either 2.11.56 or 21.1.56. Either is a good a match for the Sweatband stamped date.

Natural Light

Nice sleek looking homburg, Steve. What's not to like?

 

[mayserwegener]

Thanks for the additional information Mayserwegener. Again, I appreciate you looking into it. If you get any other information on it, please let let me know. In the the meantime, I am looking forward to the weather getting a bit cooler so I can start wearing my hat again

Thank you! If I stumble upon something I will make any update. You should look for some more vintage / antique hats in the meantime.

 

[mayserwegener]

Nice sleek looking homburg, Steve. What's not to like?

Stefan, Thank you! It does have a sleek look.

 

[mayserwegener]

Industrie-Compass Österreich, Čechoslowakei, Jugoslavien, Ungarn 1928, Hutindustrie

I posted the entire Austrian Hat Industry section on my website (see the url below). This is a very good source of information.

Industrie-Compass Österreich, Čechoslowakei, Jugoslavien, Ungarn 1928, Hutindustrie

germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com

 

[mayserwegener]

Carl Ceschka Wien, Back Bow, 58 cm possibly 1920s. I think this might be what was called an Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut based on the wide 3.5 inch brim (just don't see brims this wide). The black Velour is of very high quality with very high gloss. I couldn't locate a paper label and didn't want to disturb the sweatband too much. Carl Ceschka Wien hats are not very common plus the unusual wide brim makes it a special find.

"Without Equal" Founded 1868

Open Crown

Here is an example of a Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut from Skriwanek - Hüte catalog (possibly 1920s).

Nr. 317. Artist's hat, very wide. brimmed, black and in any desired color, wool felt S 16.50, hare hair S 25.-, brand "Pleß" S 34.-, in velour S 28.-, 40.-

 

[steur]

Carl Ceschka Wien, Back Bow, 58 cm possibly 1920s. I think this might be what was called an Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut based on the wide 3.5 inch brim (just don't see brims this wide). The black Velour is of very high quality with very high gloss. I couldn't locate a paper label and didn't want to disturb the sweatband too much. Carl Ceschka Wien hats are not very common plus the unusual wide brim makes it a special find.

"Without Equal" Founded 1868

Open Crown

Here is an example of a Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut from Skriwanek - Hüte catalog (possibly 1920s).

Nr. 317. Artist's hat, very wide. brimmed, black and in any desired color, wool felt S 16.50, hare hair S 25.-, brand "Pleß" S 34.-, in velour S 28.-, 40.-

Doesn't get any better than that. Spectacular find, Steve.

 

[M Hatman]

Carl Ceschka Wien, Back Bow, 58 cm possibly 1920s. I think this might be what was called an Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut based on the wide 3.5 inch brim (just don't see brims this wide). The black Velour is of very high quality with very high gloss. I couldn't locate a paper label and didn't want to disturb the sweatband too much. Carl Ceschka Wien hats are not very common plus the unusual wide brim makes it a special find.

"Without Equal" Founded 1868

Open Crown

Here is an example of a Artist's Hat / Künstlerhut from Skriwanek - Hüte catalog (possibly 1920s).

Nr. 317. Artist's hat, very wide. brimmed, black and in any desired color, wool felt S 16.50, hare hair S 25.-, brand "Pleß" S 34.-, in velour S 28.-, 40.-

I love everything about the hat!!!

And for the catalog page, that crease in 327..........hmmmmmmm........may have to do some work on one of mine, now to find a clip.

 

[mayserwegener]

Doesn't get any better than that. Spectacular find, Steve.

Stefan, Thank you! I haven't made an unusual find like this in a long while.

 

[mayserwegener]

I love everything about the hat!!!

And for the catalog page, that crease in 327..........hmmmmmmm........may have to do some work on one of mine, now to find a clip.

Mark, Thanks! I was happy to find it.

Yes, the crease on nr 327 is great and also nr 324. Both are young man's hats. You can see the entire catalog with English translations here. You can click on the catalog pages to expand the image.

Ludwig Skriwanek Graz, Hutfabrikation

Ludwig Skriwanek Graz Hutfabrikation, no production information. Main location: Schmiedgasse 14, Graz, Opposite the Landhauskeller Listed in Austrian Hat Industry Guide (1926), Hat Makers Guild of Steiermark, Incorporated Guild Members, page 40. Today Gössl Graz Trachten clothing and accessories ...

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There was a seller on Ebay selling crease clips a few years ago. They were somewhere in Europe but not sure if they are still available. I will check into it. The only crease clips I have came with the hats.

Here is a photo from 1928 of a stylish Austrian young man wearing a hat with a similar crease as nr 324. I found this photo back in 2012.

 

[mayserwegener]

Here is some info I found a while ago about Bohemians wearing black wide brim Austrian Velour Hats.

Wyndham Lewis (1930) wearing a black wide brim Austrian Velour in such a manner.

 

[steur]

Mark, Thanks! I was happy to find it.

Yes, the crease on nr 327 is great and also nr 324. Both are young man's hats. You can see the entire catalog with English translations here. You can click on the catalog pages to expand the image.

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There was a seller on Ebay selling crease clips a few years ago. They were somewhere in Europe but not sure if they are still available. I will check into it. The only crease clips I have came with the hats.

Here is a photo from 1928 of a stylish Austrian young man wearing a hat with a similar crease as nr 324. I found this photo back in 2012.

There was an auction for a NOS box of those crease clips in the UK. I bought that box. Haven't seen any since.

 

[M Hatman]

There was an auction for a NOS box of those crease clips in the UK. I bought that box. Haven't seen any since. View attachment 638085 View attachment 638086 View attachment 638087

The reference to sewing your crease in place (no sewing) on the box, is interesting.......AND I remember you and that great find every time I use one of these to these purpose.......what can I say....it works. And yes, I "soften" it up some, and remove the hing bars after I set it.

 

[mayserwegener]

There was an auction for a NOS box of those crease clips in the UK. I bought that box. Haven't seen any since. View attachment 638085 View attachment 638086 View attachment 638087

Stefan, Super find. Those are the same manufacture as the ones I remember. Some of them had Dermotta Wien and the sellers (I believe on Etsy and Ebay) were out of the Czech Republic and Cypress. Here is the link. You can keep scrolling down. There are a few related posts.

Post New Hats Here!

glad you dig brother !! they look fantastic on you ! how's the fit ?

www.thefedoralounge.com

 

[mayserwegener]

Hutfabrik Josef Pichler & Söhne, Graz "Flexible", FP 5 3/4, possibly 1930s. Old Hutfabrik Josef Pichler & Söhne, Graz hats are not common especially in my size. I believe this is Fur Felt with a Chamois like finish. Based on the condition it must not have been worn often. Also a FP quarter size 5 3/4 so 58.5cm. An extra bonus is that it came with the original cardboard shipping box which rarely survived.

Original Box from Hutfabrik Josef Pichler & Söhne, Graz.

 

[steur]

A bit of a treat, especially considering in what condition it arrived (see the Other than Ebay etc thread). This brand doesn't show up often, so if it does I'll jump on it. It was a lottery hat, because I didin't know what size it was when I bought it.
Rehfus Olympia homburg in grey. Size 57 (huzzah!) with the bound brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5cm at the center dent. High quality felt and finishing. Weighs 139 grams.

 

[mayserwegener]

A bit of a treat, especially considering in what condition it arrived (see the Other than Ebay etc thread). This brand doesn't show up often, so if it does I'll jump on it. It was a lottery hat, because I didin't know what size it was when I bought it.
Rehfus Olympia homburg in grey. Size 57 (huzzah!) with the bound brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5cm at the center dent. High quality felt and finishing. Weighs 139 grams.

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Stefan, Super! Always great to see a Rehfus & Cie! Really like the felt / band / binding color combo.

 

[feldkappe]

Hi,
I am looking for any information on a Hungarian hat maker named SANDOR TARBAY from the town of Szentendre in Hungary. They definitely were in business in 1943, however I am trying to find out how far back they were doing business. Specifically if the company dates back to 1916. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

[steur]

Stefan, Super! Always great to see a Rehfus & Cie! Really like the felt / band / binding color combo.

Seem to have missed this comment. Thank you, Steve.

 

[mayserwegener]

I solved a mystery (it's been a long while)! Back in 2021 I acquired an Austrian Wool Stiff Felt with no company mark on the liner and sweatband and only this "St. Veit" (a district of Vienna) mark on the paper label. At the time I made many searches and wasn't able to come up with anything.

https://germanaustrianhats.invision...i-wien-hutfabrik/?do=findComment&comment=5384

Yesterday (10/30/24) I was looking through some digital copies of Deutsche Hutmacher Zeitung for trademarks and I came across this trademark in the Jan. 11, 1930 DHZ (see below). I have looked at this trademark page many times but for some reason I missed / overlooked these Bossi Wien "St. Veit" trademarks. It could be I forgot about this Austrian trademark page, when searching for the "St. Veit" mark, because it was in DHZ. (By the way there is also a previous page of German trademarks.)

Notice there are separate trademarks for Fur Felt Hats and Wool Felt Hats.

I have always been on a look out for Bossi Wien Soft and Stiff Felt Hats but I haven't found any in my size and I don't believe I found any from the WWII era or earlier. Here is a Bossi Wien page on my website with more information. There is also a second Bossi Wien Stiff Felt listed that I found back in January.

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/2534-bossi-wien-hutfabrik/