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German & Austrian Hutmachers

PanosChris

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Hückel velour in grey, made for Sools, Paris. Size 56 with the raw edge brim at 5,5cm and the crown at 10cm at the center dent. This was a bit of a close call as the shipping company neglected to send me a notification of its arrival at the pick-up point. The seller did point out to me that it had been delivered there and indeed it was. This hat has been worn and loved and alas also got some unwanted attention from moths, as there is some light surface mothing on the brim and crown.
Perfectly wearable hat though and an added bonus it that it has a date on it: as far as I can make out (it's close to impossible to photograph) it says 29 sept 1936. Seems about right to me. It's a pre-war Hückel velour, that is already enough to tell you something about the felt.

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Maybe this should technically be in the Czech thead, but I expect to see the Hückels here.
Fantastic new gets, but that takes the cake! Congrats!
 

Steve1857

I'll Lock Up
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Hückel velour in grey, made for Sools, Paris. Size 56 with the raw edge brim at 5,5cm and the crown at 10cm at the center dent. This was a bit of a close call as the shipping company neglected to send me a notification of its arrival at the pick-up point. The seller did point out to me that it had been delivered there and indeed it was. This hat has been worn and loved and alas also got some unwanted attention from moths, as there is some light surface mothing on the brim and crown.
Perfectly wearable hat though and an added bonus it that it has a date on it: as far as I can make out (it's close to impossible to photograph) it says 29 sept 1936. Seems about right to me. It's a pre-war Hückel velour, that is already enough to tell you something about the felt.

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Maybe this should technically be in the Czech thead, but I expect to see the Hückels here.

Wow! Nice find, Stefan. I can almost feel the felt from the photos.
 
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Hückel velour in grey, made for Sools, Paris. Size 56 with the raw edge brim at 5,5cm and the crown at 10cm at the center dent. This was a bit of a close call as the shipping company neglected to send me a notification of its arrival at the pick-up point. The seller did point out to me that it had been delivered there and indeed it was. This hat has been worn and loved and alas also got some unwanted attention from moths, as there is some light surface mothing on the brim and crown.
Perfectly wearable hat though and an added bonus it that it has a date on it: as far as I can make out (it's close to impossible to photograph) it says 29 sept 1936. Seems about right to me. It's a pre-war Hückel velour, that is already enough to tell you something about the felt.

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Maybe this should technically be in the Czech thead, but I expect to see the Hückels here.
Stefan, Super find! It's great to see a lighter color Velour is such good condition. I don't believe I have seen that JHS Sweatband mark before.

I consider JHS as a Austrian / German because they kept the Wien connection post WWI. They also built a factory in Ratibor, Silesia, Germany (1925) to get around the Czechoslovakian export restrictions to Germany and Austria (their major customer base). This is a receipt from 1930 which lists the factories plus the Wien / Vienna.

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Brüder Böhm had their Wien / Vienna factory and that remained their headquarters post WWI. Anton Peschel Neutitschein had a very tough time because they couldn't export to Austria and Germany because their only factory was in Neutitschein / Nový Jičín.
 
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Stefan, Super find! It's great to see a lighter color Velour is such good condition. I don't believe I have seen that JHS Sweatband mark before.

I consider JHS as a Austrian / German because they kept the Wien connection post WWI. They also built a factory in Ratibor, Silesia, Germany (1925) to get around the Czechoslovakian export restrictions to Germany and Austria (their major customer base). This is a receipt from 1930 which lists the factories plus the Wien / Vienna.

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Brüder Böhm had their Wien / Vienna factory and that remained their headquarters post WWI. Anton Peschel Neutitschein had a very tough time because they couldn't export to Austria and Germany because their only factory was in Neutitschein / Nový Jičín.
Thank you, Steve. That's what keeps it interesting: to keep adding little snippets of information to the big picture. Your documents are fantastic, having survived all that time.
 
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Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik, Otto Koch, Koch Velour "Extra", 58 cm possible late 1950s. I was interested in this hat because I don't have an example of Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik, Otto Koch, Koch Velour. I am not sure if Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik is related to Ernst Kohlndorfer Miesbach / Oberbayren Velour Hutfabrik so I will have to do some research. The closed cropped Velour is of excellent quality (color, finish, hand) and is in very good condition. This is a typical Miesbacher Trachten style and the overall quality is superb.

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Open Crown

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Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. Also some mysteries solved! (see below).

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Open Crown

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Natural Light

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I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. Also the German "Windsor" mark was made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl!

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

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Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

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https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

"Windsor" mark in Germany has a similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002
 
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PanosChris

Practically Family
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Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. I also made an interesting discovery (see below).

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51691534467_db39ff11c5_h.jpg


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Open Crown

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I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. I will have to check some of the other paper labels with no company mark because they might also be associated with Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl.

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

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Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

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https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

Also appears the "Windsor" mark in Germany was also made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbüh. Similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002
Very nice Steve! I find this less formal homburg/camber style very appealing. Great find!
 
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Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik, Otto Koch, Koch Velour "Extra", 58 cm possible late 1950s. I was interested in this hat because I don't have an example of Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik, Otto Koch, Koch Velour. I am not sure if Miesbacher Velourhutfabrik is related to Ernst Kohlndorfer Miesbach / Oberbayren Velour Hutfabrik so I will have to do some research. The closed cropped Velour is of excellent quality (color, finish, hand) and is in very good condition. This is a typical Miesbacher Trachten style and the overall quality is superb.

51651842087_7be9253dec_b.jpg


51652666206_904cbf0395_b.jpg


51653533565_bcd8a77783_b.jpg


51653540925_8f74e66895_b.jpg


51651864362_6bc107c090_b.jpg


51652686096_fb00839c9c_b.jpg


51652917168_4efd82ae6e_b.jpg


51652918888_2542678769_b.jpg


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Open Crown

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Well, I can't say it's either my style or my colour of choice, but I can appreciate a well made velour when I see one. And this one certainly is a quality piece. Nice find, Steve.
 
Messages
18,446
Location
Nederland
Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. Also some mysteries solved! (see below).

51691379701_d3f0a8ce86_h.jpg


51691517762_5618c63f75_h.jpg


51693215035_abbe871607_h.jpg


51692321466_826e7e51df_h.jpg


51691534467_db39ff11c5_h.jpg


51691537232_07a68c6b10_h.jpg


51689132033_4c8d8ddf0e_h.jpg


Open Crown

51693022269_1cb0f0ba36_h.jpg


51692617203_401394a93f_h.jpg


I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. Also the German "Windsor" mark was made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl!

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

51691519808_7203d7931e_h.jpg


https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

51689132033_4c8d8ddf0e_h.jpg


Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

diplomat-black_11-jpg.343974


https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

"Windsor" mark in Germany has a similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

33356636938_74c11a8ec5_b.jpg


https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002
Again: great looking Bristol/Peschel and some excellent detective work! Thanks for posting.
 
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Well, I can't say it's either my style or my colour of choice, but I can appreciate a well made velour when I see one. And this one certainly is a quality piece. Nice find, Steve.
Stefan, Thanks! I got because I don't have a Koch Velour. Hopefully one day I will find a Dress Koch Velour because the quality is excellent.
 

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