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German & Austrian Hutmachers

Steve1857

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Interesting, Matt. So it's an advertising sign. That would explain the way it doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the labels etc.

Thanks for that.

Just as a small addition to the sign:
I think that is not German and Italian,
but "Imprägnol" is a (more or less) known product
for impregnation, that is still produced untill today
- i.e. "impregnated with this product" (in German).
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Mean Eyed Matt

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You're welcome, Steve!
Yes, it is a kind of advertising sign and
is certainly based on a cooperation between
the hat manufacturer OR the hat shop
and the company that produced "Imprägnol".
 
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Just as a small addition to the sign:
I think that is not German and Italian,
but "Imprägnol" is a (more or less) known product
for impregnation, that is still produced untill today
- i.e. "impregnated with this product" (in German).
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Matt, Yes correct. There are a couple posts here on "Imprägnol". I found a couple examples of Mayser Milz Hats with "Imprägnol" but no other known hat companies.
 
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Steve, I believe the Wotan Stefan posted is the one he sold to me. In fact, he very kindly went back to the store to pick it up for me. I was particularly taken by the wonderful art deco style tip logo and the name, Wotan. I'm a bit of a Wagner fan.

Anyway, here are photos of the label, sweat, and "impregnated" sticker.

As Stefan pointed out, the ornate letter creates both the W for Wotan and M for marke.

Interesting too that the label shows a punti size 5 and a cm size, 57, and that the "impregnated" sign is both in Italian and German. View attachment 328231
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Steve, Thanks for additional photos. My guess based on the paper label and Imprägnol label is the hat was made by Mayser Milz.
 
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Steve thank you! Great research and info as always. Guben in Germany and Monza in Italy sound like the key producers of the old European woolies that some of us here love to find and/or own.
Panos, Most of the major German Wool Hat Companies were in what became East Germany post WWII. Guben was the largest center. Wool Soft and Stiff Felt Hats dominated the European market up to WWII. All the major European Hat making countries strongly defended their domestic markets.
 

Steve1857

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Thanks Steve. Wotan was a new name for both Stefan and I. Nice to have some further info on it.
It's a well made hat with some fine finishing, so it doesn't surprise me that it's connected to one of the major German hat companies.

Steve, Thanks for additional photos. My guess based on the paper label and Imprägnol label is the hat was made by Mayser Milz.
 
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Thanks Steve. Wotan was a new name for both Stefan and I. Nice to have some further info on it.
It's a well made hat with some fine finishing, so it doesn't surprise me that it's connected to one of the major German hat companies.
Steve, It's just a guess on who might have made the hat. I haven't looked into Wotan yet.
 

Steve1857

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Understood Steve, but I think you're on to something. It's not a run of the mill made hat, so some connection to one or other of the top German/Austrian hat makers is more than likely.

Steve, It's just a guess on who might have made the hat. I haven't looked into Wotan yet.
 
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I have cataloged all the currently known J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft and Stiff Felt Hat Paper Label Types. I have included a time period plus confidence level.

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvski4

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142504800_5f60877148_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr8q8H

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51141734998_9dbb1d2f7d_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKcjL

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNe87

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqC1gj

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvvxes

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKL8S

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142328634_eeea0b86bd_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNMVw

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr9Nca

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCMS9

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCQST

I will post JHS Stiff Felts Post WWI and WWI Era or Older next.
 

Steve1857

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Fantastic work, Steve. Thank you so much.

May I suggest you also create a new thread starting with this so it's something like the Borsalino paper label thread.

I have cataloged all the currently known J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft and Stiff Felt Hat Paper Label Types. I have included a time period plus confidence level.

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

51140702027_1d6fcfa3c7_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvski4

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142504800_5f60877148_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr8q8H

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51141734998_9dbb1d2f7d_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKcjL

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51142631890_b6eea69752_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNe87

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

51141541361_4b6464953d_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqC1gj

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51142321579_6e4bb8145b_o.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvvxes

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51141549581_44ab9937a2_o.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKL8S

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142328634_eeea0b86bd_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNMVw

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51140894712_1059dfeeac_o.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr9Nca

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

51141576116_095cfcdee9_b.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCMS9

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51141582006_7394a089b4_b.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCQST

I will post JHS Stiff Felts Post WWI and WWI Era or Older next.
 
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Fantastic work, Steve. Thank you so much.

May I suggest you also create a new thread starting with this so it's something like the Borsalino paper label thread.
Steve, Thanks! I guess I could also post in the JHS specific thread. I am working on the Stiff Felts so once that is finished I will post post them together.
 
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Here are the currently known Paper Label Types for JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI and WWI Era or Earlier.

JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1a (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1a (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr6Zuj

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 1b (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1b (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqVPnV

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 2 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 2 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs4xFS

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 3 (Early to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 3 (Early to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr7oET

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs4Qn2

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1a (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1a (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvPX38

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1b (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1b (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs59iT
 

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I have cataloged all the currently known J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft and Stiff Felt Hat Paper Label Types. I have included a time period plus confidence level.

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

51140702027_1d6fcfa3c7_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvski4

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142504800_5f60877148_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 2 (Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr8q8H

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51141734998_9dbb1d2f7d_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 3 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKcjL

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51142631890_b6eea69752_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNe87

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

51141541361_4b6464953d_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 5 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Could be from Old Stock, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqC1gj

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

51142321579_6e4bb8145b_o.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 6 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvvxes

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51141549581_44ab9937a2_o.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 7 (Mid 1920s to Late 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVrKL8S

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142328634_eeea0b86bd_b.jpg


Album of JHS Soft Felt Hats Post WWI Type 8 (Late 1920s early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqNMVw

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51140894712_1059dfeeac_o.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr9Nca

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

51141576116_095cfcdee9_b.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 2 (1890s to Early 1900s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCMS9

J. Hückel´s Söhne Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51141582006_7394a089b4_b.jpg


Album of Soft Felts WWI Era or Older Type 3 (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqCQST

I will post JHS Stiff Felts Post WWI and WWI Era or Older next.
Here are the currently known Paper Label Types for JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI and WWI Era or Earlier.

JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1a (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

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Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1a (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr6Zuj

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 1b (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142451761_f2b65a5102_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 1b (Mid 1920s to Early 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVqVPnV

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 2 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142457961_beb3f3647b_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 2 (Late 1920s to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs4xFS

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 3 (Early to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

51142679328_2fedf56c09_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 3 (Early to Mid 1930s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVr7oET

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Medium Confidence)

51142688188_5b75c433cb_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felt Hats Post WWI Type 4 (Late 1930s to Early 1940s, Medium Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs4Qn2

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1a (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51142697048_13c7e62974_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1a (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVvPX38

J. Hückel´s Söhne Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1b (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

51143596570_51209f233e_b.jpg


Album of JHS Stiff Felts WWI Era or Older Type 1b (Early 1900s to Early 1920s, Strong Confidence)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVs59iT

Excellent job Steve! Thanks for sharing!
 
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P.&C. Habig Wien - black Melone/Bowler/Derby - pre war - 1930s?
Hat (felt, liner) in nice condition - just the sweat is worn & some stitches lost.
This one is a smaller size and therefore reserved for our friend Panos.

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Matt, Super find! I can't see the viewable info on the paper label. Not sure if it's possible to take a complete photo of the label.
 

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