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German & Austrian Hutmachers

Daniele Tanto

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On the right J. Hückel´s Söhne (JHS) Zephyr Seal Velour, size 7 3/8 (late 1930s) vs. on the left TONAK Formely Hückel Zephyr Seal Velour, size 7 3/8 (late 1940s early 1950s).

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Both are my size so with no doubts I take both.
Steve I think only you have the technical competence and experience, having a vast collection of velour, to determine the quality.
However, I repeat, in the uncertainty I take both of them:)
 
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C. Messmer Wien, 59 cm possibly late 1940s. The felt on this hat is fantastic. Also the contrasting black liner and white sweatband in striking. It appears to be have been made by Hutproduktiv Wien (see below). I couldn't find anything on C. Messmer Wien production capabilities.

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Based on the paper label the hat was made by Hutproduktiv Wien. The label is in French because Hutproduktiv Wien was located in District XIV which was under French control after WWII.. Here is another example.

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/163-hutproduktiv-wien/?do=findComment&comment=911

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Steve1857

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C. Messmer Wien, 59 cm possibly late 1940s. The felt on this hat is fantastic. Also the contrasting black liner and white sweatband in striking. It appears to be have been made by Hutproduktiv Wien (see below). I couldn't find anything on C. Messmer Wien production capabilities.

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Based on the paper label the hat was made by Hutproduktiv Wien. The label is in French because Hutproduktiv Wien was located in District XIV which was under French control after WWII.. Here is another example.

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/163-hutproduktiv-wien/?do=findComment&comment=911
Super Bowler, Steve. Great melon shape. My feeling is it's pre WW II. The overall shape, liner, and white sweat with that great inner binding say pre war to me. Perhaps a clue is in the "Facon 1938", or maybe that's fooling me.
Anyway, I'd hazard a guess that if it's post war, it's made up from pre-war parts in the style of a pre-war French style (melon) Bowler.

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Wegener Cornett homburg in niederrad colour (google translate couldn't figure it out). Size 55 (but Wegener tends to run a bit large) with the bound brim at 6cm and the crown at 11,5cm at the center dent. Unusual colour for a homburg, which is why I bought it. Cornett started off as a model name for Wegener but later on got its own brand (still made by Wegener).
Couldn't find anything on Heinrich Stakelbeck.

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Daniele Tanto

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A magnificent example of German headwear
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Echter Mayser "Superbe" size 58 or 7 1/4 in the United States. Sometimes the hats of Central Europe of this size are perfect for my head, but this is a tight 58:rolleyes:
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It has a felt color and a very interesting and classic brim+ribbon combo and finishes for Mayser, Huckel and other brands of those producers with the addition of wind cord, rare to find in hats sold in Europe. Sometimes it happens for those distributed in Germany, I remember having a Borsalino with that thing
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The measurements are as follows: the crown is about 11 cm. bashed, the brim is 6.5 centimeters and the ribbon is 3 centimeters
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It has a small flaw: that of having the lining detached for at least 50% of its circumference, for the rest it is perfect. It was sold in Bremen - Carl Sick shop
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This is the paper label that certainly will be much more decipherable by Steve who is the leading expert on these European productions
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What I really like about this hat is the change in color of the felt in different light conditions and, above all, its proportionate profile
Too bad it is a hat that will have to find an home
 

Rmccamey

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Love those Maysers, they always seem to have colors that are just different to make them...different! The gray-blue-silver looks great. If it is a small 58, then maybe...
 
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A magnificent example of German headwear
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Echter Mayser "Superbe" size 58 or 7 1/4 in the United States. Sometimes the hats of Central Europe of this size are perfect for my head, but this is a tight 58:rolleyes:
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It has a felt color and a very interesting and classic brim+ribbon combo and finishes for Mayser, Huckel and other brands of those producers with the addition of wind cord, rare to find in hats sold in Europe. Sometimes it happens for those distributed in Germany, I remember having a Borsalino with that thing
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The measurements are as follows: the crown is about 11 cm. bashed, the brim is 6.5 centimeters and the ribbon is 3 centimeters
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It has a small flaw: that of having the lining detached for at least 50% of its circumference, for the rest it is perfect. It was sold in Bremen - Carl Sick shop
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This is the paper label that certainly will be much more decipherable by Steve who is the leading expert on these European productions
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What I really like about this hat is the change in color of the felt in different light conditions and, above all, its proportionate profile
Too bad it is a hat that will have to find an home
Daniele, Sorry about the size. That is a fantastic looking Surperbe. My guess is later 1950s. Mayser's sometimes have wind cords. The earlier ones just have loops and no buttons. I have two pre 1940 Echter Borsalinos with loop wind cords.
 

Daniele Tanto

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Daniele, Sorry about the size. That is a fantastic looking Surperbe. My guess is later 1950s. Mayser's sometimes have wind cords. The earlier ones just have loops and no buttons. I have two pre 1940 Echter Borsalinos with loop wind cords.
Grazie Steve!
Your help for Central European hats is essential. The wind cord has a button in the same color as the ribbon. Super finish!
 
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Janyška Calendar "1942" (see link below) This is from the collection of Peter and Mirka Janyška. I met Peter Janyška and his wife Mirka during my September Czech visit. Peter's grandfather was technical director of Janyška and early post WWII Tonak. I received a lot of great information on Janyška and post WWII Tonak from Peter. Janyška was a post WWI Czech company (located in Valašské Meziříčí – Krásno about 25 km from Nový Jičín) but I will post here because from Central Europe with German and Austrian influence.

https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/194-janyška-cie/?do=findComment&comment=2354

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Steve1857

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Here is a 1920's??? advertising stamp. Perhaps Steve you can tell me more? My understanding is it says: "My heart's desire is to have a new hat from Habin". Sounds like a LOT of us here!!!!!;) View attachment 202096
Excellent find, Mark. It actually says, "My heart's desire is to have a new hat." Obviously one from the F. Böttcher hat store in Zurich. A wonderful little stamp.

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