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German & Austrian Hutmachers

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Stefan, Thanks! I went back and found the information Celia posted (see link below). The name is Otto H. Schick who was the son of Wilhelm Schick, and lived from 1899 to 1856.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-271#post-2189713

Also forgot to mention the brim on the Hut Schick. I do not believe I have seen that before. Can you make out the writing in the upper right corner (3.) of the paper label?
Steve, thanks for the extra info. O.H.S. would be Otto H. Schick then. I wonder if they changed the initials on the labels every time another family member took over as head of the business.
The other part of the label can be seen on this picture, but it doesn't give any more information apart from serial numbers.

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Thanks Stefan, nice Homburg by the way!
I am not sure what you mean, hunt - finds! Both is very nice for me [emoji16]


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Manfred, thanks. What I mean is that when I'm out buying hats it's more the looking for the hats and browsing through them that I enjoy even more than actually finding and buying any (because I have so many already). I can imagine other collectors have the same feeling.
 

Chepstow

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Stefan, I know what you mean [emoji16]My wife and me have a passion together. We both love it to visiting fleamarket's. I could buy many hats, standard hats you know, hats you will find very often on fleamarket but I dont do that. I have to many of them. I am looking for rare hats or hats I can sell on Ebay If they dont have my size.
But you are right with what you say!

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Steve, thanks for the extra info. O.H.S. would be Otto H. Schick then. I wonder if they changed the initials on the labels every time another family member took over as head of the business.
The other part of the label can be seen on this picture, but it doesn't give any more information apart from serial numbers.

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Stefan, I will see if I can find more details about Hut Schick. It's possible they had some type of production. I am not sure if my pre 1940 Stiff Felt has a paper label but I will check.

The shorter front brim is interesting on your O.H.S. Homburg. The flange looks ok in the photos so appears to be on purpose. Can you detect anything?
 
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Steve, it is intriguing that what seems to be such a large company wouldn't have a production of some sort. As for the flange I think you are right: it does look like it's on purpose. The brim itself is the same width but has a strong curve at the front, (which it took on when I steamed it) where at the back it's almost flat. Only reason I can think of to do that would be to keep the rain or sunshine from the back of the neck maybe?
 
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Steve, it is intriguing that what seems to be such a large company wouldn't have a production of some sort. As for the flange I think you are right: it does look like it's on purpose. The brim itself is the same width but has a strong curve at the front, (which it took on when I steamed it) where at the back it's almost flat. Only reason I can think of to do that would be to keep the rain or sunshine from the back of the neck maybe?
Stefan, So the brim is the same width all the way around? I have no idea why someone would do this. I tend to think it was done post production. Maybe for the owner by a local hat maker with the proper tools.

It's possible O.H.S. had in house production. They could source felt and other parts locally.
 
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Stefan, So the brim is the same width all the way around? I have no idea why someone would do this. I tend to think it was done post production. Maybe for the owner by a local hat maker with the proper tools.

It's possible O.H.S. had in house production. They could source felt and other parts locally.
Yes, it's the same width. I think you're right that it was done post production. It does look odd though. I have been steaming it a bit more and working the brim a little and that did improve it and it looks more symmetrical now.
 
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Rockel (Alsfeld), 58cm, Open Crown 5 inches, Brim 2 3/4 inches, probably late 1950s. The hat was machine formed but I was easily able to change the crease. The charcoal colored felt has an interesting finish which is coarser clipped finish so not a Velour. Also has a very nice thin ribbon bow design that is still basted. The only Rockel identifier is on the crown patch and there is only the store name on the sweatband. The paper label has the older Rockel format and look but without the company identifier (R. & Co. A.).

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Basting stitches still on bow and thin ribbon.

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KarlCrow

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Rockel (Alsfeld), 58cm, Open Crown 5 inches, Brim 2 3/4 inches, probably late 1950s. The hat was machine formed but I was easily able to change the crease. The charcoal colored felt has an interesting finish which is coarser clipped finish so not a Velour. Also has a very nice thin ribbon bow design that is still basted. The only Rockel identifier is on the crown patch and there is only the store name on the sweatband. The paper label has the older Rockel format and look but without the company identifier (R. & Co. A.).

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Basting stitches still on bow and thin ribbon.

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nice
 
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Rockel (Alsfeld), 58cm, Open Crown 5 inches, Brim 2 3/4 inches, probably late 1950s. The hat was machine formed but I was easily able to change the crease. The charcoal colored felt has an interesting finish which is coarser clipped finish so not a Velour. Also has a very nice thin ribbon bow design that is still basted. The only Rockel identifier is on the crown patch and there is only the store name on the sweatband. The paper label has the older Rockel format and look but without the company identifier (R. & Co. A.).

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Basting stitches still on bow and thin ribbon.

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Splendid looking hat, Steve. Interesting finish too. I always have a bit of a weak spot for these different finished hats.
 
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Splendid looking hat, Steve. Interesting finish too. I always have a bit of a weak spot for these different finished hats.
Stefan, Thanks! I am thinking since Rockel was a Velour producer it is somewhere between a Flamand and a Velour. I am wearing it today so I will take photos in natural light.
 
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Rockel in natural light.

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You can see it picked up some tree debris.
You did score a winner there, Steve. I agree with Karl that it shows some blue tones there as well. Could be the light in the picture of course, but this has happened to me on more than one occasion that I picked up a German or Austrian made hat thinking it was dark blue when in fact it was black. Whatever the colour though: great hat.
 
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Absolutely stunning Steve.

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Harv, Thanks!

You did score a winner there, Steve. I agree with Karl that it shows some blue tones there as well. Could be the light in the picture of course, but this has happened to me on more than one occasion that I picked up a German or Austrian made hat thinking it was dark blue when in fact it was black. Whatever the colour though: great hat.
Stefan, Definitely a problem with the photo color. It's not a solid black but more charcoal. The indoor photos are more accurate color wise.
 

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