I guess I'm "the usual suspects" now but I did handle the FCL jackets because I went to one of the stores that's their big pusher in the US (this is before I was exposed to any TFL discourse about them, so no I don't think you can say "makers they don't intend to buy from". They seemed excited about it, so I was open to it, but I found the Schott, (JP made) Iron Heart (JP made), and Flat Head stuff much more appealing as designs and as the leather itself.
I did end up buying things at that store but from Sugar Cane.
I'm not a thick leather fetishist anyway, so it's not like I was after 2mm. But the feel was certainly that of a (firmer end of) midweight leather; there was also a Schott 618HH there, and you could say the feel was comparable.
Thank you very much, Jeo) that’s the answer I was trying to find when I asked my question …@Taras i don’t think you can buy the older 1.8-2 mm jackets new anymore, but I may be wrong. Maybe some places still have them in stock. I wouldn’t know. I think your best bet is to try and find a good condition used one.
As for the thickness of those jackets, I’ve handled those older FCLs that were advertised as 2 mm from multiple different stores on multiple different occasions through multiple runs. They’re thick. If they’re exactly 2 mm or 1.8 mm, who knows. Don’t know how anyone can declare that they’re not. (unless like @Tom71 said, they’re walking around with a caliper which would be hilarious.)
The thing with those leathers though is that they’re very soft and pliable so they may not feel that thick when wearing them, but they are.
The older “lightweight” versions were advertised as 1.1 - 1.3 mm. Seemed correct.
Also, not all the older models came in the 2 mm leather. Leon the No star was the thicker leather while the Leon custom did not come in that thicker leather for instance.
These newer ones that are Shinki and 1.3 - 1.5 mm are a much stiffer leather.
I handled a few of these "1.8mm" jackets back when they where released, they where not 1.8mm thick.
It was a marketing thing, not an accurate measurement...
@Taras was asking where he could get an FCL "Eric", and the only member who even tried to assist was @Marc mndt.
I´ve seen similar when somebody asks about Simmons Bilt (wrong question because somebody who´s no longer there stole patterns around the time America was discovered), Addict (their mere existence west of Japan is evidence of their evilness), Himel (Don´t ask, period!), or others who have recently inspired the wrath of TFL elders.
Guys, let´s stay open towards new developments (not everything a 40+ Boomer dislikes about the future is actually bad, and even if it was, WE are not going to stop it) and by all means, let´s be (more) respectful towards dissenting opinions, judgements, tastes.
Although some members dislike Simmons Bilt, others such as myself appreaciate them. We are very far from when nobody dared even mention them like it was a few years ago. I would say we improved massively since then.
Again, some members showed a dislike for addict and others like them, I do not think it is as one sided as you mention.
Himel used to be put on a pedestal until people started seeing beyond the hype. You should remember the QC issues among other things. No point in going further on this, but let's just say that people corrected the misconceptions they had about this brand. I think it is healthy.
If anything, the forum had become much more open minded and is exploring new genres. Look at the unique Electric Leather Studio jackets getting positive comments as an example. You really do not remember the days where the only good jackets were Aero and the only worthy leather was CXL?
I appreciate you chiming in. I am glad that my take on some threads detiriorating for all the wrong reasons does not seem to resonate with you (and perhaps others).
I was just stating my impression for some months (?) and thought this thread would serve as an example.
I guess once your alerted to something, you tend to see it everywhere.
Generally speaking, the drapier the leather, the better the fit
Personal experience. YMMVHow did you come up with this?!
Personal experience. YMMV
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...an-answer-about-outerwear.102916/post-2993415
I wouldn't go for Fine Creek even if their descriptions were accurate. If you want thicker leather, go for Lost Worlds or Vanson. If you just want good quality leather, you have tons of options from brands who make better fitting jackets than Fine Creek
you have tons of options from brands who make better fitting jackets than Fine Creek
He might have found what he was looking for and kudos to him. There were some used FCL BNWT jackets up for sale in Japan just these past couple of weeks. A bit pricey for used jackets imo but they seem to be in demand there now.Notably, the OP hasn’t been seen around for two page now.
I accept that people like Fine Creek even if I don't. That's not going to stop me from giving advice that I believe is helpful. The OP does not have to listen to my advice if he doesn't want to. I'm not insulting him. I'm saying there are other options if he's looking for thicker leather. I've had people give me similar advice and it was very helpful.But that’s the thing, isn’t it: YOU wouldn’t go for FCL; I wouldn’t go for them, and probably for very different reasons.
And yet, the OP asked for FCL. He didn’t ask, wether or not that’s an appropriate choice.
What’s the problem in accepting this departure point (or staying away from this thread altogether)? It really gets to me that it seems impossible to accept that certain people may actually LIKE (insert any given maker).
I started my contribution to this thread when the OP, asking for the „Eric“ in the 1,8mm variant was first told that the jacket is actually thinner and secondly that he should look, at Lost Worlds to begin with. I really find this inappropriate as I take it to mean that some people think it’s not good enough to like FCL.
But as I said earlier: this is just my opinion, and I don’t expect others to share it. Notably, the OP hasn’t been seen around for two page now.
Their denim style jackets do fit better, but those are from the days before they were fine creek.
I started my contribution to this thread when the OP, asking for the „Eric“ in the 1,8mm variant was first told that the jacket is actually thinner and secondly that he should look, at Lost Worlds to begin with.