Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition

[Bluechel]

I thought you wear a size 50-52?

I do. Trying to get into the old HH which will never have my size so just learning

 

[Bluechel]

This is another one of those Schott Golden Bear clones!

Probably a model 109p…

 

[Bluechel]

Not sure what this is. Not a Cal---by the belt loops. Fur sleeves though. Al's??? Its in excellent shape---looks like NOS level condition--- and a very good price BIN -- IMO. But not for the large size, (26 p2p) I'd nab it. Nice Talon Brass hardware. Someone will score.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186055529261?hash=item2b51c6132d:grIAAOSw7wxk7n2R&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA0AG/EnHLnhqD2qyRPWqLtmNHF1307WXao+G8L0Izky+FhOgehI0AveKiytyYsjf3zjKjjGmgH9lGYK4Ltj+GCXshNyuEfN3x291HMW9sgMPPlvmI2lv6mdaFgW2xIxx8ZRL5JP33BhXtnOBsHXtsAsJU+srrVxVDNO+bQmOV7mfxJwGrtytKV4+V6bp8GF4FniEM0XIA2Xfhfw9hVi2SlqM7jGgHkUqFQOHXg5QeP3lJAGDIaQwjOAx1Gq/dnjafPYcQFN7zhjiZuDAobAgQouI=|tkp:Bk9SR_KKr7zIYg&LH_ItemCondition=4|10

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My size! But it’s an Alden….?

 

[Jiaward]

That’s an unusual Windward. Where’s the original link?

It’s not a Windward either. Just found in pocket.

 

[handymike]

Congratulations, great jacket!

 

[Bluechel]

Something is rotten with that jacket. The size tag alone is bizarre and the generic HH tag looks like it was copped from another jacket. The jacket in question reminds me of the later era JC Penny pattern from the 60’s. Looks to be the last of this line:
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And it should’ve had this tag:
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The jacket you linked feels like an attempt at a money grab with an HH tag added after death.

Zippers would have told more of the story but seller too annoyed to answer....RUN!

 

[Jiaward]

Congratulations, great jacket!

Be better if I wasn’t doing a Chris Farley impersonation while it was on.

 

[ton312]

It’s not a Windward either. Just found in pocket.
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So cool! FIT PICS?!?!!!

 

[ton312]

Zippers would have told more of the story but seller too annoyed to answer....RUN!

Assuming they weren't replaced, they could give you a time of production.

 

[Marc mndt]

Zippers would have told more of the story but seller too annoyed to answer....RUN!

You can clearly see the main zip, it's the generic type you see a lot on '60s jackets of mediocre quality, think of 60s Excelled.

The leather looks like cheap 60s steerhide. So like @ton312 already mentioned the horsehide label probably doesn't belong to the jacket. What else would you want to know?

 

[Bluechel]

You can clearly see the main zip, it's the generic type you see a lot on '60s jackets of mediocre quality, think of 60s Excelled.

The leather looks like cheap 60s steerhide. So like @ton312 already mentioned the horsehide label probably doesn't belong to the jacket. What else would you want to know?

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That's where I was going here...thanks for confirming! Label has been seen everywhere, NOS weird history...

 

[Bluechel]

That's where I was going here...thanks for confirming! Label has been seen everywhere, NOS weird history...

Just found out the sleeve zips are Nynco...that's interesting!

 

[Bluechel]

You can clearly see the main zip, it's the generic type you see a lot on '60s jackets of mediocre quality, think of 60s Excelled.

The leather looks like cheap 60s steerhide. So like @ton312 already mentioned the horsehide label probably doesn't belong to the jacket. What else would you want to know?

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[Bluechel]

Here are sleeve zips...and that "could" certainly be horsehide...

 

[Claybertrand]

Here are sleeve zips...and that "could" certainly be horsehide... View attachment 543365

Ya don't see those every day......

 

[tmitchell59]

Here are sleeve zips...and that "could" certainly be horsehide... View attachment 543365

This is a mediocre jacket in the same vain as Excelled. Excelled made lower quality Horsehide labeled jackets, but this does not look like one. I belive the label is original, just lower quality materials.

 

[Claybertrand]

This is a mediocre jacket in the same vain as Excelled. Excelled made lower quality Horsehide labeled jackets, but this does not look like one. I belive the label is original, just lower quality materials.

It seems like that HH label is off center----which is part of what is being said about the potentially shadiness. To me, the leather looks mostly unremarkable regardless of the hide.

That a person would take the time to stitch in a non original HH label into a jacket is a new level of shadiness in this hobby if this is truly what we are looking at. We have been seeing the FRAUD websites with photos of OUR OWN jackets listed for $78.52 and we have seen the people who sell jackets here in the FL that they don't actually own---on fake AND hacked accounts. I never thought I'd see the day (Honestly---never thought I'd see that day that I would say, "I never thought I'd see the day"---but here we are) where someone would stitch a label from another jacket for financial gain.

Its just seems so not worth it to me. As far as scams go, this isn't exactly low hanging fruit---Preying on an obscure hobby with a fairly limited following. There are plenty of legit GOOD jackets offered at fair prices that don't fly off the electronic shelves. Every jacket that's "vintage" isn't a slam dunk sale. Everything that says Horsehide is not just automatically rare and desirable. Not if you've been around this hobby and learned anything. Perhaps the jacket was relined and the label was simply badly re-sewn?? I have a jacket that has a bit of this going on but I do know that it was relined. That may be too much wishful thinking though strolling along the high road.

This jacket has the feel of something not being right but it does look a lot like the Penny's jacket @ton312 posted. Epaulettes look different from Excelled IMO. But to echo @tmitchell59, it does seem to be in that same quality/value tier.

 

[Bluechel]

I want to thank you all for the insight, perspective and detail and the time you took. I do love that we have a place like this to get granular and to have people share what I consider important knowledge and information. There’s a lot of BS out there!

 

[Blackadder]

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From a couple weeks ago and too small so if anyones interested...

Post in thread 'Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition'
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/finds-and-deals-leather-jacket-edition.96976/post-3031277

I might be

 

[Guppy]

Schott 618 Brown w Brass--- This may have been posted previously. Overall its in good condition other than that its got a shoulder issue. I dig the look. A little different with the brown and the brass. Low starting bid

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266392480871?hash=item3e063aac67:g:4P4AAOSwcE9k7l2h&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4N40lsoUOSKIzVkP4V0ArNAxMvdnuKvz+bP2o0S9vCwyBXmsMh9GRQKaW/bgYfP9vSnOP6n6pf6na5BugwqO+CWtexvuxYogpo344gdxmO7RpHIpW7uK4eAK1Os+cJpSurAjtLn+H5JpZMV3Ufb9F3Udxka/zYNlkqAPSDVBh5YD7pGYrWaQxD+7ACDaUDN8PpI9xEJJpxRzuSUrKj/AGo3v2AKV2LF4DErEOB7Fzs4PVFQmUoBnbQ/pelw3iRkMFVo4dN0k8PjGeTdgrrRyVJJNaQhrmTltvELK2NtOxheH|tkp:Bk9SR_re17fIYg&LH_ItemCondition=4|10

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That's a Schott 609, not a 618. Nice jacket, and rare, only made for two years.