Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition

[TartuWolf]

Seems super sketchy yeah.
This also makes me realize that I have a lot to learn and understand until I come to I point where I think paying so much (relatively) for a jacket in such poor shape is reasonable.

 

[Will Zach]

But given all this, the ebay starting price is reasonable. Let the market decide.

 

[Claybertrand]

Leather label Herc, worn with low rise jeans.

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^^^^^ PRIME EXAMPLE ^^^^^^^ This is what I was sayin...................
This back length is what I have experienced with Hercs. I know there are shorties out there too but these better sized jackets are out there. In the last 2 weeks I've picked up 3 very old jackets---two half belts both in the 42-44 range and both have backs in the 25-26" range and an A-2 that even comes in at 25". Ya just gotta be religious about getting that back length measurement from Sellers. Patient ones will work with you. On both of the HBs I recently snagged, I went back and forth with the Sellers and in BOTH cases at least one key measurement was off and corrected by me having them remeasure properly. Of course, as I reported earlier this week, I have also had my share of Sellers basically tell me to go pound sand because apparently, my measurement requests are too daunting to attempt.

 

[Claybertrand]

Pioneerwear. This will test some of y’alls love for the brand.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3643378116...CJi9omFSVa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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The Pioneer Version of the Edsel. Acid Washed Western Gear never caught on I guess......... Humanity dodged a bullet there I'd say......

 

[Marc mndt]

Seller has some nice looking jackets and good feedback on eBay... apart from the crazy price for members, is there more to the story?
I'm eyeing the Fidelity IR.

The seller sent me a DM after I commented on his $1850 asking price.

Still no measurements in the eBay listing.

 

[handymike]

Good to know. Thanks guys.

 

[Nacho]

The seller sent me a DM after I commented on his $1850 asking price.

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Still no measurements in the eBay listing.

Really don’t like the sarcastic tone from this guy.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

Listing title says:

Sports jacket/40s reprint/lining torn/leather jacket/blouson/-/leather/BRW

So it's a repro, hardly any pics though, but maybe it's a Toyo repro?

Ah ok that makes way more sense. Looked like a repro to me.

 

[ton312]

But given all this, the ebay starting price is reasonable. Let the market decide.

Or shill bids! In my experience sellers like this have a number of accounts to drive up bids or “friends” at the ready to spike the auction. No doubt somebody loses their ass on that auction.

 

[ton312]

^^^^^ PRIME EXAMPLE ^^^^^^^ This is what I was sayin...................
This back length is what I have experienced with Hercs. I know there are shorties out there too but these better sized jackets are out there. In the last 2 weeks I've picked up 3 very old jackets---two half belts both in the 42-44 range and both have backs in the 25-26" range and an A-2 that even comes in at 25". Ya just gotta be religious about getting that back length measurement from Sellers. Patient ones will work with you. On both of the HBs I recently snagged, I went back and forth with the Sellers and in BOTH cases at least one key measurement was off and corrected by me having them remeasure properly. Of course, as I reported earlier this week, I have also had my share of Sellers basically tell me to go pound sand because apparently, my measurement requests are too daunting to attempt.

I must just have bad luck.

Olé!
Actual photo of me trying on old Halfbelt:

I’m hating on vintage I know. But the stuff is 99% short as balls. Problem is a lot of repro then counters going too long. If and when Reg finishes my Herc repro that’ll be it for me. The Durable really soured me to vintage crust for the last time.

 

[Will Zach]

^^
Vintage CHP jackets have those "beaver tail" kidney supports that alleviate the shortness somewhat.

 

[ton312]

^^
Vintage CHP jackets have those "beaver tail" kidney supports that alleviate the shortness somewhat.

They do and it works but they also keep the front short, which makes perfect sense for an m/c jacket which is designed to be worn zipped and seated. The rub is that true vintage is ALWAYS cooler. It just is. Not even debatable really, but for me it ALWAYS requires a sacrifice in fit (almost always anyway). And ripping that Durable apart like construction paper was the nail in the coffin.

 

[handymike]

I think @regius is currently on vacation in South Africa...maybe he's sourcing Kudu.

 

[Marc mndt]

But given all this, the ebay starting price is reasonable. Let the market decide.

Starting price just went up a couple of hundred lol.

 

[Will Zach]

Starting price just went up a couple of hundred lol.

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Guy is shady. Moving the goalposts all the the time.

 

[jeo]

^^^^^ PRIME EXAMPLE ^^^^^^^ This is what I was sayin...................
This back length is what I have experienced with Hercs. I know there are shorties out there too but these better sized jackets are out there. In the last 2 weeks I've picked up 3 very old jackets---two half belts both in the 42-44 range and both have backs in the 25-26" range and an A-2 that even comes in at 25". Ya just gotta be religious about getting that back length measurement from Sellers. Patient ones will work with you. On both of the HBs I recently snagged, I went back and forth with the Sellers and in BOTH cases at least one key measurement was off and corrected by me having them remeasure properly. Of course, as I reported earlier this week, I have also had my share of Sellers basically tell me to go pound sand because apparently, my measurement requests are too daunting to attempt.

As shown in recent posts there are longer and shorter style HBs.

I always think of a HB as a very short style, even in the larger sizes, typically not exceeding 24” but that most certainly is not a rule.

The longer ones are definitely out there. The same seller has a longer style HB with 18” shoulders, a 26” back length and roughly 25” sleeve

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[Observe]

Guy is shady. Moving the goalposts all the the time.

I hope that jacket rots before he can move it. Nothing personal (against the jacket), just tired of the grifters out there.

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

I’ll be honest. In 20 years I’ve found only 3 “short styles” that even remotely hit the mark.
This Kurland:
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Westbury:
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Campus:
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The surcoat style is much more my jam. The fact that I even tried to sell the Windward is just insane, as it’s the only vintage jacket I’ve ever owned that actually really fit. I’ll stick with 25” or more and leave the brave to fend the bulls. In the past two years I’ve seen more 23” back and sleeves than I care to count! I’ve also firmly decided this just ain’t it:
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I’m bidding a fond farewell to vintage…..until I inevitably change my mind next year.

I agree with your assessment completely, Tony.
Your images demonstrate perfectly the vintage half belt conundrum.
I’ve noticed here over the years here that it seems the taller one is the less apt to find that “good look” in vintage half belts. Shorter people tend to have better luck then taller or longer torso’d folks.
Then there is the placement of the half belt itself in relation to the torso length. Total came changer. High rise low rise trousers, such a fickle, folk to folk.
Just my observations.
B

 

[dudewuttheheck]

@ton312 's loss is my gain. Overall, vintage jackets do tend to be shorter which is working out wonderfully for me. I can even buy jackets that are verging on being too large and they're still not too long for me which I quite enjoy.

As @jeo mentioned, there are longer vintage half belts out there, but I see more short vintage jackets than long ones.

 

[JMax]

Vanson

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2043905031...CJi9omFSVa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY