Finds and Deals - Leather Jacket Edition

[dannyk]

Damn VAT. For 1,000 that entire package and that condition is actually a fantastic deal. VAT and shipping are just the worst. I don’t find a ton of stuff I like in my size but when I do it’s usually Japan or UK, and with shipping it ruins almost any deal that can be had. I’ll find a few things that the price isn’t bad at all but when I do shipping estimates I realize it kills my excitement of finding it. I know @Monitor has and a few of these because of VAT/Shipping as well. As we all know probably only to get worse with things like Brexit, and America’s trade wars with China.

 

[tmitchell59]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Vinta...350224?hash=item23ecc77610:g:3uoAAOSwvclgBO-~

 

[Marc mndt]

I just want to avoid that I buy it for $1200-1300 (incl. VAT + duty) and sell it for $500-600 here or somewhere else as there is no real market.

The moment your custom FL is deliverd to you, it has easily lost €400 of its worth (resale value). The write off on the Buco will be much less, if anything at all. It appeals to a wider audience plus they don't make them anymore.

 

[Monitor]

@Monitor @tmitchell59 He actually rejected all of my price offers as he insists on min $1000. adding 30% for VAT and duty it would cost me $1350 including shipping which is too expensive and risky for me. The fact that the package is complete (belt, etc.) persuaded me to make my final offer at $900 :-(

Robbie, if it was anyone else, I'd say screw that crummy old jacket, rather get a repro or something - but - those Jodhpurs and other gear you have, I think this Buco would make a perfect companion to it. Unique jacket to wear with equally unique boots. I'd really settle for nothing less.

Which is partially why I'm a Schott guy. Frankly, it's easier but if I had the determination, I'd go all highest shelf stuff.

And what @Marc mndt says, given enough time, you can easily move that Buco for what you paid for it, especially in Europe. It'll take a while but you will sooner get $1300 for an original Buco than a cent over 60% of the price you paid for ANY custom made jacket, especially stuff built in EU. Less options, better money, that's how it goes.

Damn VAT. For 1,000 that entire package and that condition is actually a fantastic deal. VAT and shipping are just the worst. I don’t find a ton of stuff I like in my size but when I do it’s usually Japan or UK, and with shipping it ruins almost any deal that can be had. I’ll find a few things that the price isn’t bad at all but when I do shipping estimates I realize it kills my excitement of finding it. I know @Monitor has and a few of these because of VAT/Shipping as well. As we all know probably only to get worse with things like Brexit, and America’s trade wars with China.

Y'know, Dan, I consider not getting that cross zip for you to be among my top 5 jacket mistakes and it was literally because of the shipping/taxes/VAT crap because I knew what it'd turn into once they started whining I bring them papers how much I paid for it and all that junk but... It was worth it. Except I realize this only when it's too late.

 

[Marc mndt]

The moment your custom FL is deliverd to you, it has easily lost €400 of its worth (resale value). The write off on the Buco will be much less, if anything at all. It appeals to a wider audience plus they don't make them anymore.

 

[jeo]

@Robbie79
Size 38. Current bid of $764. Will probably go for way more, but maybe worth a shot.

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/j707117120?conversionType=search_suggest

 

[JMax]

In case any of you want to transform into TFLs yellow devil...Schott Perfecto 42

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sc...-/293960508033?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

 

[Robbie79]

@Robbie79
Size 38. Current bid of $764. Will probably go for way more, but maybe worth a shot.

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/j707117120?conversionType=search_suggest

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@jeo Thanks, Man! I've followed this auction till I found the Vintage Buco yesterday. I'm sure it'll go for >$1200. Damn, this is exactly my size and I was waiting for a brown Mulholland size 38. The black Mulholland would have looked to similar to the Engelbert Vanek apart from the jacket length. That's why I was also considering a navy blue FL Mulholland clone.

 

[casechopper]

In case any of you want to transform into TFLs yellow devil...Schott Perfecto 42

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sc...-/293960508033?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

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I like the jacket but the measurements look really small for a 42.

 

[Robbie79]

Robbie, if it was anyone else, I'd say screw that crummy old jacket, rather get a repro or something - but - those Jodhpurs and other gear you have, I think this Buco would make a perfect companion to it. Unique jacket to wear with equally unique boots. I'd really settle for nothing less.

Which is partially why I'm a Schott guy. Frankly, it's easier but if I had the determination, I'd go all highest shelf stuff.

And what @Marc mndt says, given enough time, you can easily move that Buco for what you paid for it, especially in Europe. It'll take a while but you will sooner get $1300 for an original Buco than a cent over 60% of the price you paid for ANY custom made jacket, especially stuff built in EU. Less options, better money, that's how it goes.



Y'know, Dan, I consider not getting that cross zip for you to be among my top 5 jacket mistakes and it was literally because of the shipping/taxes/VAT crap because I knew what it'd turn into once they started whining I bring them papers how much I paid for it and all that junk but... It was worth it. Except I realize this only when it's too late.

@Monitor You know what happens when I follow your recommendation?! I only say Engelbert Vanek! Well done, Man...continue this way my friend and I will spend my next family Summer Vacation in Croatia with empty pockets

 

[Monitor]

@Monitor You know what happens when I follow your recommendation?! I only say Engelbert Vanek! Well done, Man...continue this way my friend and I will spend my next family Summer Vacation in Croatia with empty pockets

You'll always have a place to stay here for free!

 

[AeroFan_07]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Vinta...350224?hash=item23ecc77610:g:3uoAAOSwvclgBO-~

Starting bid of $99 is attractive - but it does need a zipper, has 23.5" sleeves and a 21" pit to pit, kind of tight for a "42." Seems more like a 40. But great hide & patina. His "Buy it now" is rather high at $600.

 

[Claybertrand]

After talking to @jonbuilder @technovox @JMax (Thanks again guys for your help!) I'm seriously considering this vintage 50's Buco J-27 in very good overall condition (leather, linging, belt, original hardware, plus leather gloves) - only hardware needs to be cleaned which, I guess, should be makeable. Size seems to be perfect for me. Only thing is the price - I've just got the first counter offer ($1000) from the seller but I think he's willing to further reduce. Since basically day one of my leather jacket passion I've wanted one vintage "grail" leather jacket (I still don't have one, yet...the Taubers has been on its way to me for a while from the US) and have found this Buco now but I'm really torn whether or not I will really wear it (I don't only want to collect, I actually want to wear my jackets)...perhaps I should rather order another new one from Greg Fields than an expensive vintage one for pretty much the same price....on the other hand the condition of the Buco is excellent and is perhaps hard to find in this condition.

My 2 Cents-----I realize you are on the fence and want to actually WEAR your jackets.

Between a new FL jacket, and a true vintage in excellent shape Buco, the value proposition is 100% trending in opposite directions as others have alluded to. The Buco should continue to GAIN value while the new FL will immediately LOSE value the moment it goes from NEW to PRE-OWNED. To me, if you have the money, I'd grab that Buco. I see though that there has been some recalculating and that your final offer may have fallen a bit short of his asking. If I were you, I'd bite the bullet and pay the upcharge for this piece. In this condition, you should be able to get your money out of it at almost any time down the road and could well turn a profit should you hold onto it for a longer period.

I NEVER see fully intact Bucos in this condition. I would consider it a Grail purchase and admittedly, I would probably try not to wear it too much. But its a collector piece for sure IMO. To me, its a no brainer to grab the Buco over getting a FL and I LOVE FL's jackets.

The main key difference is---if you have the money---you can ALWAYS get a new FL made (possible long wait time aside). But you may NEVER see a Buco in this shape. The added money via VAT etc. should be chalked up to OPPORTUNITY COST in this case. I know you aren't taking a Poll----but I vote BUCO. Choose wisely brother!!!

 

[jeo]

@jeo Thanks, Man! I've followed this auction till I found the Vintage Buco yesterday. I'm sure it'll go for >$1200. Damn, this is exactly my size and I was waiting for a brown Mulholland size 38. The black Mulholland would have looked to similar to the Engelbert Vanek apart from the jacket length. That's why I was also considering a navy blue FL Mulholland clone.

I figured you were aware of this auction, but you never know.

 

[jeo]

Blue FW Speedmaster size 38. Current bid $528

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/532285519?conversionType=search_suggest

 

[Robbie79]

You'll always have a place to stay here for free!

Thanks Man, joking aside, I will sleep one night on it and will finally decide tomorrow. If it’s still available I’ll take the risk and buy it, if not, then so be it! I do appreciate your positive and kind words and honest feedback as usual! Cheers, Robbie P.S. I really like Croatia and my Wife either...has been a long time

 

[Robbie79]

My 2 Cents-----I realize you are on the fence and want to actually WEAR your jackets.

Between a new FL jacket, and a true vintage in excellent shape Buco, the value proposition is 100% trending in opposite directions as others have alluded to. The Buco should continue to GAIN value while the new FL will immediately LOSE value the moment it goes from NEW to PRE-OWNED. To me, if you have the money, I'd grab that Buco. I see though that there has been some recalculating and that your final offer may have fallen a bit short of his asking. If I were you, I'd bite the bullet and pay the upcharge for this piece. In this condition, you should be able to get your money out of it at almost any time down the road and could well turn a profit should you hold onto it for a longer period.

I NEVER see fully intact Bucos in this condition. I would consider it a Grail purchase and admittedly, I would probably try not to wear it too much. But its a collector piece for sure IMO. To me, its a no brainer to grab the Buco over getting a FL and I LOVE FL's jackets.

The main key difference is---if you have the money---you can ALWAYS get a new FL made (possible long wait time aside). But you may NEVER see a Buco in this shape. The added money via VAT etc. should be chalked up to OPPORTUNITY COST in this case. I know you aren't taking a Poll----but I vote BUCO. Choose wisely brother!!!

@Claybertrand Thanks very much...I think you are all right. Let’s wait and see if it’s still available tomorrow morning...going to be now...

 

[jonbuilder]

After talking to @jonbuilder @technovox @JMax (Thanks again guys for your help!) I'm seriously considering this vintage 50's Buco J-27 in very good overall condition (leather, linging, belt, original hardware, plus leather gloves) - only hardware needs to be cleaned which, I guess, should be makeable. Size seems to be perfect for me. Only thing is the price - I've just got the first counter offer ($1000) from the seller but I think he's willing to further reduce. Since basically day one of my leather jacket passion I've wanted one vintage "grail" leather jacket (I still don't have one, yet...the Taubers has been on its way to me for a while from the US) and have found this Buco now but I'm really torn whether or not I will really wear it (I don't only want to collect, I actually want to wear my jackets)...perhaps I should rather order another new one from Greg Fields than an expensive vintage one for pretty much the same price....on the other hand the condition of the Buco is excellent and is perhaps hard to find in this condition.

I do not trust the seller's measurements I have two size 44 original Buco jackets and the pit is not 21 more like 22 to 22-1/2 My Buco size 46 J-27 has a 23-1/2 Pit

 

[Will Zach]

@Monitor @tmitchell59 He actually rejected all of my price offers as he insists on min $1000. adding 30% for VAT and duty it would cost me $1350 including shipping which is too expensive and risky for me. The fact that the package is complete (belt, etc.) persuaded me to make my final offer at $900 :-(

The only risk in getting that Buco is that you'll be wearing it all the time at the expense of all your other jackets. Cross zips are addictive...

 

[Claybertrand]

This is a STEAL. SOMEONE BUY THIS!!!!!!! Cool Vintage jacket. Great condition. Legit old brand. Smaller size.

https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Cagleco-Leather-Bomber-Jacket-5fea9c67e13164dc7c00000c