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Yes the OED release notes need some tweaking.
Yes the OED release notes need some tweaking.
Looking back through this thread I found it interesting that this article from November 22, 1883 - Sacramento daily union-record mentions the Knox "Fedora" as "Tyrolean in shape, peculiar curving brim". This is only a couple months after the the Knox September 26, 1883 - The New York Sun announcement. Both were posted by Dinerman (Spencer)."
It is interesting that the OED says we have no records of the hats worn by the men in the play, since I read somewhere the claim that the soft felt hat worn by the leading man was the reason for the Fedora name to be first associated with such headgear. I can't find his name now, but I recall there being a picture in which he wore the older "Homburg" style of hat. Does anyone have details?
Yes that old / rare JHS Velour of Garrett's (but not made for the American market) has a similar form / shape (not finish) to Edwards VII Homburg. The American popular city dress soft felt styles of the late 1800s mostly came from Europe.
I am skeptical of the French designer claim (made up French connection to the play) in the Knox "Fedora" announcement (total marketing hype) but who knows for sure? The Sacramento Union - Record description makes to sense to me (just a guess based on European popular soft felts styles of the time).
Here is another thread that will make your head hurt (RLK's (Robert's) comments are spot on in my opinion ).
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?50185-It-s-about-time-we-define-quot-fedora-quot
Bump. I re-read parts of this thread last night and finished this morning. Excellent scans, article references and pics. I followed a couple of the readings to on-line pages of American Hatter and enjoyed the readings.
For the curious, you will not be disappointed.
Curious Eric -
I miss seeing RLK's fabulous collection of hats.Just had a nice visit with Robert (RLK) last week. Our talk reminded me of this thread which hasn't been bumped in many years. Really should be a sticky.
Reading the whole thread is necessary to get a good feel of the origin of the fedora.
There is also a continuation (part 2) thread here -> https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/fedoras-first-decade-of-the-20th-century.49010/
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Greetings, Bill, and thank you for your thread re-kindling!Just had a nice visit with Robert (RLK) last week. Our talk reminded me of this thread which hasn't been bumped in many years. Really should be a sticky.
Reading the whole thread is necessary to get a good feel of the origin of the fedora.
There is also a continuation (part 2) thread here -> https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/fedoras-first-decade-of-the-20th-century.49010/
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