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For reference, 3 Stetson beaver quality rondels... the one on the left appears in pre WWII hats. The other two are later.
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Here is another variation, Alan. Similar to your first picture but without the city listings. This hat has a clear liner protector and a keyhole size tag, so I assume 50s.
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Closer to the right hand image but later version with maple leaf. The rondel on the left is the one to bid high, in my book anyway.
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Thank you, Alan! Now I know what a rondel is
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Certainly... rondel was a word of choice used often by our much missed former member Brad Bowers in connection with Dobbs branding. I'm sure you've visited this thread but just to keep it alive in the minds of newer members:
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/stetson-crest-dating.40021/
Haven't looked at it in a while - with its early FL origins it might have info that has been improved over the years. But it is worth a look if your interest drifts to earlier hats.
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Just Daniel
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What do you mean by die imprint? Im new to hats so all the vocab is confusing to me
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it would be a maker's mark of some sort. These are sometimes done as embossments (or debossments) done with a metal die, and later with just a gold foil logo.
In this case, I was talking about the Boss of the Plains logo pictured in this early 1900's Stetson Catalog:
This logo was recreated for the Stetson Japan Boss of the Plains reissue. A hat I would seriously re-import if they offered it in my size....but I digress.
We often engage in the game of "Open Road or no?" There are some who will only accept a hat that actually is stamped with "Open Road" as an actual OR hat. By this strictest definition, I don't recall seeing an "actual" Boss of the Plains, even though a few hats around here seem to fit the bill.
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Unless I am wrong, it is true that Stetson used the Boss of the Plains name in their catalogs and sales material, but didn't mark it that way on the hat itself that I have ever seen. But you have to remember that in those days (pre 1920s) they didn't put model names on any sweatband. Their catalogs were filled with model names, but we didn't start seeing model names on sweats until the 20s and 30s. Many pre 20s hats carried the Stetson names and logos, the 1900 "prize" and expo info, the "Boss Raw Edge" stamps, among other things, but never model names. I hope some of the other members will correct me if I am wrong.
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I had a 3X BOP made under contract by Akubra during the same time they made the Open Road.it would be a maker's mark of some sort. These are sometimes done as embossments (or debossments) done with a metal die, and later with just a gold foil logo.
In this case, I was talking about the Boss of the Plains logo pictured in this early 1900's Stetson Catalog:
This logo was recreated for the Stetson Japan Boss of the Plains reissue. A hat I would seriously re-import if they offered it in my size....but I digress.
We often engage in the game of "Open Road or no?" There are some who will only accept a hat that actually is stamped with "Open Road" as an actual OR hat. By this strictest definition, I don't recall seeing an "actual" Boss of the Plains, even though a few hats around here seem to fit the bill.
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Surmising from the "thirty seven years of manufacturing experience" described in the first pages, this catalog is from 1902. Inferring from the caption for other marks, "used in Soft or Stiff hats when specially ordered," it seems dealers could customize their stock somewhat beyond a store imprint. But the mark in question does read "used in the B.O.P. style at $42.00 per dozen and upwards." I take this mean at least a proportion of the hats from this time period must have carried this mark.
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drmaxtejeda
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Cavanagh. Fairly recent, but I was attracted by the tall crown.
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Nice pick up, Max. I saw that, but the 2" brim put me off.
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I would jump on it, but there are neither pics nor a discription...
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Grey Stetson Homburg. 1950s?
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Probably, maybe late 50s early 60s even. Based on the liner tip and the quality of that sweat imprint.