Downton Abbey - I'm hooked

[Fading Fast]

Well, at least she didn't die during an abortion. I was pretty sure that was where that story line was going.



I, too, thought that they might kill Edith off with an abortion gone wrong, but then again, how many Grantham kids can they kill? Didn't they loose a son on the Titanic before the first episode and, then, they lost Sybil - two out of four seems enough (not even counting the son-in-law and the dead body of poor Mr. Pamuk).

Edith is becoming Downton Abbey's Meg from Family Guy - she's there to make everyone else feel a bit better about themselves. Won't Lord and Lady Grantham be pleased when Edith tells them the happy news. It seems that, in that day, if a wealthy unmarried woman didn't have an abortion, they would send her off to "the Continent" to have the child and, then, she'd come back and the baby would show up later under some pretext - a cousin whose parents died, blah, blah.

Oh, and Warf, I just caught the last episode and laughed as Mary made eggs with a whisk (close enough to a spatula) - who knew? If this was really historically accurate, I doubt she would even know how to crack an egg.

 

[Worf]

As an ex-Sgt in the Regular Army... all I know is that EVERY living man that's crossed Mary's borders (her bed).... has failed to make it out alive. At that point I call in an air-strike or artillery! I ain't sendin' no more of my men in there to get kilt! If there was a woman/girl in my old neighborhood that had her scorecard, she'd NEVER get another date. But then again we were a superstitious lot.

Worf

 

[Fading Fast]

As an ex-Sgt in the Regular Army... all I know is that EVERY living man that's crossed Mary's borders (her bed).... has failed to make it out alive. At that point I call in an air-strike or artillery! I ain't sendin' no more of my men in there to get kilt! If there was a woman/girl in my old neighborhood that had her scorecard, she'd NEVER get another date. But then again we were a superstitious lot.

Worf

While the romantics might take exception to your view of courting as a military campaign, my father would be with you as, if he was alive today and commenting on Mary, I can hear him say "stay away from that one, she's a jinx."

 

[Worf]

While the romantics might take exception to your view of courting as a military campaign, my father would be with you as, if he was alive today and commenting on Mary, I can hear him say "stay away from that one, she's a jinx."

C'mon man... what does one of the most famous quotes of all time say....

"All is fair in love and war?"

I'm not the first to compare the two and won't be the last. A man "campaigns" to woo a woman's affections. He studies the terrain, does recon, finds out her likes and dislikes then pursues his objective. Many's a time I was shot down in flames... particularly at High School dances... LOL!

Worf

 

[Fading Fast]

C'mon man... what does one of the most famous quotes of all time say....

"All is fair in love and war?"

I'm not the first to compare the two and won't be the last. A man "campaigns" to woo a woman's affections. He studies the terrain, does recon, finds out her likes and dislikes then pursues his objective. Many's a time I was shot down in flames... particularly at High School dances... LOL!

Worf

I agree completely and have the scorch marks to prove it (and, as noted, my father saw it that way).

 

[sheeplady]

I, too, thought that they might kill Edith off with an abortion gone wrong, but then again, how many Grantham kids can they kill? Didn't they loose a son on the Titanic before the first episode and, then, they lost Sybil - two out of four seems enough (not even counting the son-in-law and the dead body of poor Mr. Pamuk).

I think that was a cousin who died on the titanic.

I think it is amusing that the Grantham family has a problem of every child survives infant and childhood just to get killed off in their 20s. Even their grandkids.

I'm not even sure where the storyline with the cousin is going. I honestly don't care about her. Can they kill her off? If they have to get trigger happy (or pen happy or keyboard happy) and itching to kill I vote for the little blonde cousin. Maybe we can put her in bed with Mary and that will take care of her?

The eggs part was laughable. I doubt Mary could even boil water.

 

[Fading Fast]

Rose, the cousin, doesn't fit in at all - she even looks like a person from 2014 acting like someone from the 1920s; whereas, the others have a real period look and feel to them. And she doesn't, to date, have an integrated story line. I just want to make sure I heard sheep lady correctly - she did suggest that Rose and Mary sleep together? I doubt you'll get much objection to that story line here. And, yes, other than to give an order, I doubt Mary has ever done anything else in the kitchen.

 

[sheeplady]

Rose, the cousin, doesn't fit in at all - she even looks like a person from 2014 acting like someone from the 1920s; whereas, the others have a real period look and feel to them. And she doesn't, to date, have an integrated story line. I just want to make sure I heard sheep lady correctly - she did suggest that Rose and Mary sleep together? I doubt you'll get much objection to that story line here. And, yes, other than to give an order, I doubt Mary has ever done anything else in the kitchen.

Well, I was joking. I see little to no chance of that happening. But since the men that Mary has bedded have bad luck, maybe we can get rid of Rose that way? I'm also not opposed to Rose just falling against the bed and smashing her head on one of the bed posts if it gets rid of her character. They don't actually have to sleep together. Maybe it will just get cold one night, they all have to bunk together, and Rose dies because Mary is cursed and anyone who touches her bed dies. Perhaps the curse isn't sexual in nature, but rather proximity?

Although that would be a riot if the plot twisted enough to get the two of them in bed with each other. I would watch that.

 

[The Wiser Hatter]

The cousin does have a interesting plot line this season. Edith spends the whole season deaking the child plot line.

 

[Doctor Strange]

Yeah, but Rose is still just an imitation Sybil. Does her character really have anything going on besides being young, pretty, open-minded for an aristocrat, and extremely reckless? Just like first/second season Sybil, but with much less personality and presence!

 

[Fading Fast]

Yeah, but Rose is still just an imitation Sybil. Does her character really have anything going on besides being young, pretty, open-minded for an aristocrat, and extremely reckless? Just like first/second season Sybil, but with much less personality and presence!

Your description rang a bell with me - I'm thinking Rose is suppose to represent "The Bright Young People."

That was the name given to a subset of the young generation (in their twenties) in the 1920s in England that came from the upper classes, lived excessively (parties, drinking, fast cars, sex, etc.) and were, thus, scandalous in their behavior. They were covered in the press and were quite embarrassing to some of their parents. Some parallels to the flappers, but maybe more scandalous because of Britain's class system where the upper class justified its upper class status, in part, because it knew how to behave and how to set an example for others.

Rose's affair with the band leader would be just the thing that a Bright Young Person would do.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I've heard of the Bright Young Things - and seen Stephen Fry's film of that title.

Rose would indeed seem to fit the profile... but I'm sorry, to me she still mostly just feels like an ersatz Sybil!

 

[vitanola]

I don't know but that I see foreshadowing of Edith and her beau getting deeply involved with fascism, should the plot line run on into the 'Thirties.

 

[Fading Fast]

I don't know but that I see foreshadowing of Edith and her beau getting deeply involved with fascism, should the plot line run on into the 'Thirties.

Agreed, it would be echoing the Mitford Sister.

 

[Worf]

I think that was a cousin who died on the titanic.

I think it is amusing that the Grantham family has a problem of every child survives infant and childhood just to get killed off in their 20s. Even their grandkids.

I'm not even sure where the storyline with the cousin is going. I honestly don't care about her. Can they kill her off? If they have to get trigger happy (or pen happy or keyboard happy) and itching to kill I vote for the little blonde cousin. Maybe we can put her in bed with Mary and that will take care of her? The eggs part was laughable. I doubt Mary could even boil water.

LOL!!!! Now you're gettin' in the spirit of it!!!!! Truth be told Blondie's gettin' on my nerves as well. All she's gonna do is get that ABSOLUTELY AWFUL singer's brains beat in by some drunken mob!!! Unless the move to France.

Worf

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know for a fact that Mr. Greene gets what's coming to him. He won't survive the season.

 

[sheeplady]

LOL!!!! Now you're gettin' in the spirit of it!!!!! Truth be told Blondie's gettin' on my nerves as well. All she's gonna do is get that ABSOLUTELY AWFUL singer's brains beat in by some drunken mob!!! Unless the move to France.

Worf

Something that somewhat irks me about this storyline is that it seems a bit like "Guess who's coming to dinner?" where the black man is all that and a box of chocolates and the female he is dating is nothing to speak of. (You kind of wonder- Why in the world is He dating that Loser?)

Rose has the personality and attractiveness of a childish broomstick; whereas the band leader is actually talented and seems intelligent and kind. The only thing Rose seems to bring to the relationship is that she's white.

Bugs the **** out of me.

 

[sheeplady]

I was really hoping Thomas would kill Mr. Greene.

I was a bit upset that Ross is cutting off his engagement with Rose. Rose is shallow as expected but this seemed rather uncharacteristically shallow of him to not care enough for her to fight for each other. I don't buy the "I care enough for her to break it off."

 

[Worf]

I was really hoping Thomas would kill Mr. Greene.

I was a bit upset that Ross is cutting off his engagement with Rose. Rose is shallow as expected but this seemed rather uncharacteristically shallow of him to not care enough for her to fight for each other. I don't buy the "I care enough for her to break it off."

I think you're judging him too harshly... He understands, far better than she, the life she would be taking on marrying him. Unless you've dated interracially you'll never truly know the mind crushing burden it can be... even now in the wrong State/Country or the wrong neighborhood. No if he truly loved her he was doing the "right thing" by her. You never know his nationality. If he was an American Black he knew he could never go home again and England was only better by a degree. Could you really see Rose living poor? Ostricized by "polite" society, threatened physically and verbally by the rest? She'd "bear" it for a while but in the end she'd leave him... No.. he did the best thing for them both.

Worf

 

[sheeplady]

I think you're judging him too harshly... He understands, far better than she, the life she would be taking on marrying him. Unless you've dated interracially you'll never truly know the mind crushing burden it can be... even now in the wrong State/Country or the wrong neighborhood. No if he truly loved her he was doing the "right thing" by her. You never know his nationality. If he was an American Black he knew he could never go home again and England was only better by a degree. Could you really see Rose living poor? Ostricized by "polite" society, threatened physically and verbally by the rest? She'd "bear" it for a while but in the end she'd leave him... No.. he did the best thing for them both.

Worf

I know you're right... but I also want *drama.* I don't think Rose loves him, so this is the best for him. And I get what you're saying. But I really wish Mary wouldn't have gone up there, because then it looks like *her* doing to Rose, and Rose hates when people mess with her and her little rebellion.

It figures that one of the best characters (morally) gets shoved off the series.