dog fur coats at Macys.

[Matthew Dalton]

I seem to recall not too long ago Combs promised activists that there would be no fur in his fashion line one year... Then when the garments were shown it was revealed that most of them were almost completely made from fur.

I've also been told Combs is very involved in his business at all levels. Of course this is what I have heard.

 

[jamespowers]

If that is what we really desire then we would be missing the contributions entertainers have to offer us in the field of academics, politics, fashion, etc. See this thread for examples of actors/academics....
We cannot have it both ways. Either entertainers keep their mouths shut or we foster their drive and ambition when they branch out into whatever additional occuptions they desire.

We have a tough crowd here at the Lounge lately.

Are we speaking of American entertainers or English ones. Seems to me that Sean is here not over there. and as KD said:

It seems to me that the actors in the UK are also more classically trained and are therefore some of the best actors in the world. It is said that by the time an American actor is 25, he/she is lucky to have two professional stage productions to his name, plus whatever he may have done in college, if, in fact, he went to college. A UK actor or actress at the same age may have been touring the provinces in Shakespeare or other classical theatre productions, has been in dozens of plays and played myriads of roles.
The best American actors are natural actors, some of them can and do play Shakespeare and the classics (anyone see Al Pacino in Looking for Richard?); it takes them years to get the same experience an English actor has before he is 30.
As for the scholarship, that doesn't surprise me. Again, I think it is their familliarity with the classics, literature, theatre, poetry, etc., that gives them the edge.

I can't quite see Sean as "the Chancellor of the University of Huddersfield." :eusa_doh:

Regards,

J

 

[MrBern]

What the heck, lets applaud everybody who has a heart :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

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[Feraud]

Are we speaking of American entertainers or English ones. Seems to me that Sean is here not over there. and as KD said:

I will speak of any entertainer that seeks to branch out and make a buck or express themself in whatever way they chooes. I will not suggest Combs is the perfect businessman. I do not know. Then again most of those who are ready to banish him for his business practices do not know either.
My only point is I am glad to see that when the issue was brought to his attention, Combs took action.

 

[MrBern]

Maybe entertainers should stick to entertainings instead of endorsing products they know nothing more about than the average person does.

I'm not sure thats correct in this case.

Combs is a fashion plate.
I believe he & his mom are very hands on in this company. He didnt jsut sell his name to some company to grind out fashion victims.

I think the question is whether whomever investigates & chooses the textiles in CHINA for their designs was aware that RaccoonDog was a dog & not a raccoon.
Maybe something was lost in translation?

 

[Paisley]

If that is what we really desire then we would be missing the contributions entertainers have to offer us in the field of academics, politics, fashion, etc. See this thread for examples of actors/academics....
We cannot have it both ways. Either entertainers keep their mouths shut or we foster their drive and ambition when they branch out into whatever additional occuptions they desire.

We have a tough crowd here at the Lounge lately.

I wasn't thinking about learned thespians. I was thinking more along the lines of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV." Or the updated version: "I don't have a degree in fashion [or anything else], but there's big bucks in endorsing this product."

 

[HadleyH]

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MrBern, but he wanted one very badly, remember???? lol lol

 

[HadleyH]

My only point is I am glad to see that when the issue was brought to his attention, Combs took action.

Yes,Yes,Yes.
(I do apologize, I don't know what's wrong with me this Thursday morning, I'm kind of active )

 

[jamespowers]

I will speak of any entertainer that seeks to branch out and make a buck or express themself in whatever way they chooes. I will not suggest Combs is the perfect businessman. I do not know. Then again most of those who are ready to banish him for his business practices do not know either.
My only point is I am glad to see that when the issue was brought to his attention, Combs took action.

I think he knew about it before but chose to do nothing until he was forced to. He went from Faux fur to racoon fur to racoon dog fur. Something should have registered along the way if it was him and his mom making the decisions (Perhaps that is also soon to be corrected).
I give no credit for doing the right thing when forced to do so. [huh]

Regards,

J

 

[Feraud]

I give no credit for doing the right thing when forced to do so. [huh]

If that is the case I would not either.

I wasn't thinking about learned thespians. I was thinking more along the lines of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV." Or the updated version: "I don't have a degree in fashion [or anything else], but there's big bucks in endorsing this product."

Let us forget "learned thespians" for a moment...

Are you going argue that Combs should not venture into fashion or any other business because he does not have a degree??

Well hell there goes good old fashioned American entrepreneurship out the door!

 

[MrBern]

Are you going argue that Combs should not venture into fashion or any other business because he does not have a degree??

Well hell there goes good old fashioned American entrepreneurship out the door!

Hmm, I wonder where you'd go for a degree in rap or hiphop?
I'd liek to audit a class in being bootylicious.

 

[jamespowers]

If that is the case I would not either.

Like JC Watts said: "For too long we have gotten by in a society that says the only thing right is to get by and the only thing wrong is to get caught. Character is doing what's right when nobody is looking. "

Regards,

J

 

[MrBern]

Like JC Watts said: "For too long we have gotten by in a society that says the only thing right is to get by and the only thing wrong is to get caught. Character is doing what's right when nobody is looking. "

Regards,

J

thats why theres always someone looking now:
http://www.nyc24.org/2006/issue3/story01/index.html

 

[jamespowers]

thats why theres always someone looking now:
http://www.nyc24.org/2006/issue3/story01/index.html

10,000 cameras!? Holy Crimony!
What do you guys do there that warrants that?

Regards,

J

 

[Paisley]

If that is the case I would not either.


Let us forget "learned thespians" for a moment...

Are you going argue that Combs should not venture into fashion or any other business because he does not have a degree??

Well hell there goes good old fashioned American entrepreneurship out the door!

Having done your homework can keep you out of trouble. When you start a venture knowing little about what you are getting into, you will almost certainly waste your time and money. Even those who are good at their craft don't always make money.

Knowing what you are putting your name on can prevent some bad publicity.
(Remember Kathy Lee Gifford?) Fashion may not be brain surgery, but if a clothier doesn't know real fur from fake fur, I think it's fair to say he doesn't know what he's doing. He clearly doesn't know what he's selling.

As to whether he should be in business, it's up to him. Most businesses fail. Many businesses stay afloat because they are hobby businesses (i.e., funded by a trust fund or another more mundane but profitable business). I suspect this fashion house of Combs is basically a hobby.

 

[MrBern]

As to whether he should be in business, it's up to him. Most businesses fail. Many businesses stay afloat because they are hobby businesses (i.e., funded by a trust fund or another more mundane but profitable business). I suspect this fashion house of Combs is basically a hobby.

actually, he's doing quite well.
FromWikipedia:
Sean John is a clothing line founded in 1998 by hip-hop mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs. The name of the label comes from the first and middle names of Combs. One of the most successful fashion brands started by a celebrity, and arguably the most famous in rap alongside others such as Phat Farm, the popular clothing resulted in Combs being named Best Menswear Designer of 2004 by the prestigious Council of Fashion Designers.

 

[MrBern]

Ah, another interesting entry in wikipedia:

In addition to his work as a performer and producer, Combs entered the fashion industry. His clothing line, Sean John, has been nominated for the Council of Fashion Designers of America (CFDA) Award for Menswear Designer of the Year every year since 2000. Sean John received criticism, however, for using fur in his designs. Controversy also followed when it was discovered that factories producing the clothing in Honduras were violating Honduran labor law.[11] Charles Kernaghan of the National Labor Committee, who first exposed the factory, is quoted in the New York Times as saying, "Sean Combs obviously has a lot of bout, he can literally do a lot overnight to help these workers."[11] He did and conditions at the factory improved dramatically. The case is often cited as an example of how concerned celebrities can contribute to ending sweatshop abuses.

 

[Lady Day]

Those are lovely animals with beautiful fur that looks great, on them.


LD

 

[BegintheBeguine]

Those critters are TOO CUTE. They look like a mess of different cute animals all rolled into one, with sweet faces.
Skinned alive, how horrible, probably with their tails still wagging....
My sister, who runs a yarn shop, spins owners' dog or cat shed hair into yarn for her customers. There's recycling for you.

 

[Section10]

I don't believe the skinning alive part. That must be just hype. It would have to be a major hassle to attempt anything like that.