Derby or Homburg??

[Speedster]

I got this hat last year cheap at a flea market:

Bought it to use for my caracter in Cowboy Action Shooting. It is made out of furfelt (rabbit?) and the leather sweatband is stamped W. Linton & Co., London.

The big question: Is this a Homburg that has lost its bashing or is this a Derby? The brim looks a little too wide to be a Derby, though.

Can you help me here??

Speedster

 

[geo]

Looking at the width of the brim, I would say it's a homburg.

 

[Snrbfshn]

It's an open crown homburg...

and a nice hat.

 

[adamgottschalk]

Homburg...w/flat brim

and a nice hat.

As noted, it appears to be an open-crown homburg, with a nice flat brim, a pretty rare bird indeed. I've a hankering for such a hat. Miller Hats sells a flat-rolled-brim Homburg (the banker hat), but I've been waiting to see if I can find one for considerably cheaper. Nice catch.

 

[Speedster]

Thanks for the help. Were/are Homburg worn as open crown or were/are they always bashed with the soft center crease?

I looked at the Miller Hats site and noticed the difference between the flat rolled brim and the deep rolled brim.

Speedster

 

[Matt Deckard]

Not always worn bashed, though I like the look. You see men in the 20's wearing their hats every which way and open crowned homburgs were worn same as open crown fedoras. Most all hats in the day were sold unshaped and the wearer decided what they liked. I think open crown gives it sort of an country flair.

Is there anything on the inside of the crown?

 

[Speedster]

Not always worn bashed, though I like the look. You see men in the 20's wearing their hats every which way and open crowned homburgs were worn same as open crown fedoras. Most all hats in the day were sold unshaped and the wearer decided what they liked. I think open crown gives it sort of an country flair.

Is there anything on the inside of the crown?

Thanks Matt. So far i have been wearing it open crown as i use it for my persona in Cowboy Action Shooting (period 1880'ies).

No there is nothing on the inside of the crown. Apart from the leather sweatband it is unlined.

Speedster

 

[Marc Chevalier]

This is a homburg for sure.

However, there was once a type of derby that had a flat crown, as opposed to rounded. Winston Churchill wore one.

Years ago, at a San Marino estate sale, I picked up one that belonged to no other than Herbert Hoover, the U.S. president. He probably bought it in London in 1914. (I also got a London morning coat of his from that same year.)

 

[John in Covina]

As far as I know a derby is suppose to be stiff / hard and don't lose that aspect at all. If it is soft I'd say Homburg. Also it does seem the brim width is wider on the Homburg.