Casino Royale

[Daisy Buchanan]

I didn't like Oh, and I have to say this....how the heck did he, y'know, with her? He'd just been almost made into a castrato - surely he'd have been a bit <ahem> tender? Still, the way that scene was handled was a refreshing change to the usual T&Bs that we see in Bond films.

Ha! funny, I was thinking the exact same thing! He is Bond, afterall He can do anything.

 

[GOK]

Ha! funny, I was thinking the exact same thing! He is Bond, afterall He can do anything.

Wow - if only all men were as...resilient!

 

[Daisy Buchanan]

Wow - if only all men were as...resilient!

Oh, if only!

 

[Blackhorse]

People do not buy things, they buy experiences.

What I've always thought is that they (we) buy, "desired self-image."

 

[carebear]

Remember with the books and early movies a big deal was made of actual "Russian" vodka, "Russian" caviar, Turkish coffee, Chinese silk, etc. due to the West/Sov tensions and the sense of "exotinicity".

Bond wanted the best/most authentic available; at the time (60's) there weren't many Russian vodkas available (I assume). Smirnoff might have been a compromise between what was available in real Russian brands (vs Absolut and the like) and what the average guy who wanted to buy himself some "Bondliness" may have actually heard of.

 

[Hondo]

Does this Bond by any chance resemble Russian President Vladimir Putin? It seems to me because Putin was head of KGB, but I doubt Putin could pull this off as Bond.lol

 

[GOK]

What I've always thought is that they (we) buy, "desired self-image."

Exactly! By the way, I found this quote from Daniel Craig:

"We couldn't afford to make the movie unless we had that product placement"

Does this Bond by any chance resemble Russian President Vladimir Putin? It seems to me because Putin was head of KGB, but I doubt Putin could pull this off as Bond.lol

Indeed he does and this was picked up on by The Chap (who also denigrated his dress sense). Observe:

 

[PADDY]

Daniel Craig, a fine actor..but a fine Bond?

Seeing him in the UK TV series, "Our Friends in the North," and then "Road to Perdition," and having just read up on his training and theatre experience, well...he's put the time in and been choosy with his parts and it's starting to pay off now!

Bond was always a man who was rough around the edges, and lived on the edge to a degree. Although he was a naval intelligence officer, he wasn't a typical naval career guy who fit the image of an establishment figure.

Timothy Dalton took a lot of stick for not being a great Bond, but actually, I think he was closer to the mark than the likes of Brosnan, who was just 'too polished.'

Connery was like the working class boy who somehow managed to sneak in the back door and pick up all the tips of how to gatecrash posh parties and dress the part! Abit of a rough diamond who didn't quite fit into the circles he mingled with.
Dalton fits that bill, as does Craig (by all accounts, I have yet to see for myself).
Bond is a chameleon and a conundrum. A working class boy who managed to get a commission in the navy, tone down his accent, dress up his image and discover a side to intelligence gathering that he excelled at. But underneath the polish of vodka martinis and shirts from Jermyn St, is a rough, earthy killer.

Craig has the looks, but does he come up with the goods in the field? I'll find out very soon as I browse the cinema listings here!

 

[lindylady]

Probably at least six figures. Product placement can be hugely expensive but then from Sony et al's perspective, it's a fantastic deal.

To see Bond drinking Smirnoff, wearing an Omega and using a Sony mobile beguiles the average Joe into thinking that if he buys the same, he too can get a bit of Bondliness (yay I got to use Daisy's word!).

It's all about masstige. Joe Public can afford a swanky Sony, therefore he is likely to buy into it. People do not buy things, they buy experiences. That's why product placement is so important - and lucrative.

That was the point I was trying to make. You phrased it precisely, thank you. And while I understand Casino Royale is trying to get back to the original Bond brands, I think it took away some of Bond's sophistication and panache. What say you, fellow Loungers?

 

[farnham54]

Wow - if only all men were as...resilient!

You ladies need to come on up to Canada lol

Yes, I'm shameless

Cheers
Craig

 

[farnham54]

That was the point I was trying to make. You phrased it precisely, thank you. And while I understand Casino Royale is trying to get back to the original Bond brands, I think it took away some of Bond's sophistication and panache. What say you, fellow Loungers?

I don't think so--After all, one is rarely born with tastes for Beluga Caviar and Bolinger Champagne--these things are developed over time.

Bond is starting in on this lifestyle a wee bit late--and Casino Royale we just see the introduction of it.

Cheers
Craig

 

[Harp]

Bond's background

Bond was always a man who was rough around the edges, and lived on the edge to a degree. Although he was a naval intelligence officer, he wasn't a typical naval career guy who fit the image of an establishment figure.
Bond is a chameleon and a conundrum. A working class boy who managed to get a commission in the navy, tone down his accent, dress up his image and discover a side to intelligence gathering that he excelled at. But underneath the polish of vodka martinis and shirts from Jermyn St, is a rough, earthy killer.

My understanding of Bond's background was that he attended Eton
and took a First Honors in Oriental Languages at Cambridge; Commander,
Royal Navy...hardly your typical East End barrow boy.

 

[The_Edge]

I went and saw Casino Royal yesterday afternoon. I thought it was great! The action was cut wonderfully and the pacing was fairly tight. I thought there were a few awkward transitions here and there (even within the same scene) that jarred me out of the movie though. I would have to watch the film again in order to see if it was just sloppy or a stylistic choice.

I loved the fight scenes. Fast and brutal in their execution. (pun intended) Not a whole lot of excess dancing about. I was laughing out loud from shear joy at the kinetics and creativity found in that first foot chase. What I really liked about the whole film was that Bond was not invincible and his foes were not imcompetant. There was actual danger involved for the hero. He bleeds and bruises and his wounds carry over to the next scenes.

I also appreciated seeing Bond actually becoming the 007 that we know him to be. He spends pretty much the whole film making mistakes and paying for them because he just doesn't have the experience yet.

Suffice it to say I really enjoyed the film!

 

[Solid Citizen]

The Jimmy Buffest Craig BOND

Several Bond fans have told me that the opening construction lot action sequence is part of a permanent movie set that was used in several prior Bond films???

Also that 2-3 real Aston Martins were destroyed making Casino Royale???

SC [huh] ???

PS I really enjoyed the movie & look forward to seeing Mr. Craig
in action again.

 

[Feraud]

Hmmm, this film is getting decent overall reviews. I just might check it out..
Have those 'Anti-Daniel Craig as James Bond' websites shut down yet?

 

[farnham54]

Feraud,

Nope, they are thanking people for all they did for the Boycott, claiming it was a success because Bond didn't take number one in some parts of the world (I guess second place and raving public aren't good enough).

What the hell is there to thank the boycotters for? They didn't DO anything!

Cheers
Craig

 

[Feraud]

Feraud,

Nope, they are thanking people for all they did for the Boycott, claiming it was a success because Bond didn't take number one in some parts of the world (I guess second place and raving public aren't good enough).

What the hell is there to thank the boycotters for? They didn't DO anything!

Cheers
Craig

lol lol Now that is turning defeat into victory!!
So Casino Royale did not make #1 in Nepal and this is a victory? Rah, rah, go team! lol The power of the people strike again.

 

[GOK]

I read that Daniel Craig was actually quite upset about the vehemence with which some Bond 'fans' denounced him. It could be argued that if one puts oneself into the limelight, this kind of thing has to be accepted; however, when all is said and done, Craig is a human being as has every right to be treated with respect. I don't know how people in the public eye cope, I really don't. I think I'd be in tears all the time if I read that people thought I was rubbish, awful, undeserving etc. [huh]

fftopic: Craig, you are a shameless hussy! Besides, doesn't it get a little cold in Canada?

 

["Doc" Devereux]

fftopic: Craig, you are a shameless hussy! Besides, doesn't it get a little cold in Canada?

Must... Resist... Feed line...

 

[GOK]

Heheh, great minds, eh Doc?