Burned on Ebay

[Edward]

eBay is a buyers market, so much so, that soon, there won't be any sellers.

It certainly seems these days geared to scare of the few units, small-volume sellers. Hardly surprising, though, given the memo that was leaked so sensationally some years back, when they said they were turning their back on the original model, and the aim now is to get the place full of high volume unit shifters selling new product: more profitable for eBay, especially since they also introduced the final-sale-gouge. There are, these days things I tend to give away rather than be bothered ebaying.... but none of the alternatives are really worth the hassle or the most part now either. Basically, the model has been shifted in a way where it's simply not much cop any mored unless you'red running it as a business.

I understand that buy it now and second chance offers are returnable within14 days if it was a ‘business’ seller on eBay UK. I wonder if eBay will use the same rule if requested against a private seller? Does anyone have experience of this?

In the EU anyone selling as a business is legally obliged to accept returns. Ebay can impose that on private sellers too if they want - they're in control of how they want their system to work. Course, eBay has long been looking to attract only high volume business players as sellers, so it's not really in their interests to maked life easy or those private sellers who don't fit the profile.

I suppose not because you can clearly select “no returns accepted” as a private seller.


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Seems they can. I would think it unfair for changing your mind, but there are plenty of legit reasons. TBH, were I on the fence about something, a seller making a big thing of "no returns, absolutely ever" and such would be enough to put me off, whether fairly or no.

My biggest bugbear are sellers who don't disclose that they're smokers and the items they are selling are infested with tobacco. My other half bought a Mary Quant leather jacket that arrived stinking of ancient cigarettes and talc - the seller had obviously doused it in something that she thought, wrongly, would cover the smell (reinforcing the oft-repeated fact that cigarettes destroy your sense of smell). It took more than a month to get the smell down to a dull roar - weeks hanging in the garage, sealed in a box with bicarb, repeated coats of Pecards, odour removing sprays etc - and even now, several years on, it still has a residual smell.
If I remember correctly, the seller apologised, said she didn't think it was that bad (again, sense of smell blunted by years of smoking) and offered a partial refund. Since then, I've been a lot tougher on this sort of thing: if it arrives stinking of smoke and can't be washed/cleaned easily, it goes back.

Brings back pre-smoking ban memories..... definitely something I don't miss!

Weren't they made in New Zealand or something as well?

Originally NZ, then the partners went their separate ways, and RM was made in Japan after that. The UK label seems odd. I can only guess if the jacket is a real RM, then it was relined somewhere in the UK by someone who added that label. I remember a line of jackets that AL made for Nigel Cabourn being labelled 'Nigel Cabourn Made in England', but I think that was just an oversight based on the jackets carrying the standard Cabourn label.

I think mentioning the ill fit was a mistake. That's precisely the motive that drove the buyer of my Vanson to shred one sleeve with a chainsaw when they couldn't find a legitimate reason to return the jacket. All the fool had to do was send it back and the $ was already his as soon as the PO marked it delivered.

That's nuts! How did they think they could get away with it???

So far we only know of two The Real McCoy's jackets that have those labels and the OP contacting RMC didn't bring any light into the matter.

I've never seen any label like that in the leather jackets at RMC London and I've tried a few of them and inspected them.

Also, let's see who is the smart kid that can spot failed or missing stitching in this picture. With all the shine the jacket has and without knowing it before inspecting the photo and zooming in looking for it I bet no one would have spotted it so the seller should have mentioned in the listing because he knew it was there and he decided not to say anything but in a cheeky way posted a picture of the pockets

I can spot something strange in the picture but only after the fact. Beats me how a RMC original jacket can loose stitching in the pockets area.

To be fair, there's no way I'd have spotted that myself. Easier to have repaired than mothed knits or a broken zip, I'd assume, though I would be ticked off if it hadn't been disclosed. Looks like either the thread has given way or perhaps been rubbed by a sharp edge - keys, credit card, whatever.


Selling stuff on on ebay if it doesn't suit is definitely a pain; everyone seems to think they should pay less than you did!

 

[l0fielectronic]

I’ll have to correct My self about how long I had this Jacket, it’s about five years! I have to many jackets

It rang a bell with me as I've posted on here myself that I've had this jacket X number of years only to work out its much longer/shorter. As you say, too many jackets!

Is surprising the thread has gone like it has but as said, who knows the history of the jacket.

Not the case here but I remember I once spilt battery acid all over a rucksack. I washed it off in some water later only for the thead holding the pack together to completely disolve leaving me with just the seperated composite parts of the bag...

 

[El Marro]

TBH, were I on the fence about something, a seller making a big thing of "no returns, absolutely ever" and such would be enough to put me off, whether fairly or no.

I have held off on a couple purchases where I wasn't 100% sure about fit and the seller did not accept returns. Didn't want to take a gamble and get stuck with a jacket that didn't fit.

 

[Guppy]

I have held off on a couple purchases where I wasn't 100% sure about fit and the seller did not accept returns. Didn't want to take a gamble and get stuck with a jacket that didn't fit.

I didn't, because I figured if it didn't work out, I would be able to flip it and get most of my money back. It's been a good way to learn what my measurements needs are. There's enough variability in the way sellers measure stuff that you just never know, especially with a pattern that is new to you.

 

[JMax]

I agree, resell it. If you bought it at a good price you may even make money. Though too many folks treat eBay like Macy's or some department store. Try to return something at a flea market or garage sale, see how that goes. I see eBay like those type of markets, glad I am not the only one.

 

[Guppy]

I agree, resell it. If you bought it at a good price you may even make money. Though too many folks treat eBay like Macy's or some department store. Try to return something at a flea market or garage sale, see how that goes. I see eBay like those type of markets, glad I am not the only one.

Generally, I agree, but I draw the line at items that are misrepresented. In a flea market you have opportunity to do hands on inspection. On ebay you are relying on the seller's knowledge, integrity, and honor. In a flea market, you're dealing with cash, and reversing a transaction isn't easy unless both parties are willing. Payment services make it easier to force your the issue if you must. I do it very reluctantly, as a last resort.

 

[JMax]

Good point, I was talking more along the lines of buyer's remorse or imperfect fits, etc. I agree that if the item is grossly misrepresented, such as "no smells" and the jacket smells like a bunch of hobos had a party in it, it should be returned. But if the seller measures 23" P2P and the buyer measures it upon receipt at 24", then resell.

 

[zhz]

I have seen many old real mccoy jackets made in goatskin with this label. Apparently, Real Mccoy used to source goatskin from UK in the early to Mid 90s, and this is why they put the labels there. So, this jacket is definitely not a fake.

 

[willyto]

I have seen many old real mccoy jackets made in goatskin with this label. Apparently, Real Mccoy used to source goatskin from UK in the early to Mid 90s, and this is why they put the labels there. So, this jacket is definitely not a fake.

This jacket isn't goatskin though.

The question here is if contacting The Real McCoy's directly about their older jackets can get a straight response. I'm very curious about those labels being there.

 

[handymike]

FYI, new Ebay user agreement says buyer can cancel sale within 1 hour of closing- no reason, even if they have already paid.

 

[rocketeer]

FYI, new Ebay user agreement says buyer can cancel sale within 1 hour of closing- no reason, even if they have already paid.

That is pathetic. It means you can bid on a number of similar auction items and just pay for one that is the cheapest.
I would suggest using the withdrawn bidders address to send them a whole heap of junk mail and and get them signed up for things they don't want

 

[Edward]

That is pathetic. It means you can bid on a number of similar auction items and just pay for one that is the cheapest.
I would suggest using the withdrawn bidders address to send them a whole heap of junk mail and and get them signed up for thins they don't want

Though that could end you up with a whole heap of hassle viz data protection law.

 

[rocketeer]

Though that could end you up with a whole heap of hassle viz data protection law.

I would get my revenge somehow. I have had someone cancel their bid within the hr, the excuses are terrible and so obviously made up in an instant such as "My Little boy hit the touch screen on my iPad". Possible but highly coincidental with a 20 second to go auction. Bay also says "You are Committed to buy this item" when I guess they are not

 

[Edward]

I would get my revenge somehow. I have had someone cancel their bid within the hr, the excuses are terrible and so obviously made up in an instant such as "My Little boy hit the touch screen on my iPad". Possible but highly coincidental with a 20 second to go auction. Bay also says "You are Committed to buy this item" when I guess they are not

Oh, I know what you mean. I've had it with sellers a few times. A vintage suit I was winning for twenty quid bid was suddenly "damaged or no longer available" twenty minutes before the end of the auction, then miraculously was available for sale the following week - with a reserve of £100. Similarly, a guitar I was winning at £120 odds disappeared - "no longer available" - yet there it was on ebay the following week, with a much higher start price. I report these things to eBay (I do all the time - the latest one is a US-based counterfeiter selling fake 59 club membership patches), but I doubt they ever look into it, as long as they get their gouge.

 

[breezer]

time to unsubscribe from this thread

 

[rocketeer]

time to unsubscribe from this thread

Yes it's going nowhere. How about the original poster divulging what action he is going to take to finish it off

 

[bn1966]

I got the highest bid in just shy of 3 weeks ago on a Replica B15-C on the Bay (paid immediately what I consider to be a low price), to date..no jacket..no tracking number...only one communication could I tease out of the Vendor a week ago..no responses since

Will it arrive or won't it? Do they want me to request a refund? Who knows

 

[MeachamLake]

I got the highest bid in just shy of 3 weeks ago on a Replica B15-C on the Bay (paid immediately what I consider to be a low price), to date..no jacket..no tracking number...only one communication could I tease out of the Vendor a week ago..no responses since

Will it arrive or won't it? Do they want me to request a refund? Who knows

Crikey, that never arrived? How bizarre.

I remember seeing that listing, I think this is the seller? Another buyer has left negative feedback featuring a similar story to your own during the past month...

https://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBay...=25&iid=-1&de=off&which=negative&interval=365

 

[Edward]

I got the highest bid in just shy of 3 weeks ago on a Replica B15-C on the Bay (paid immediately what I consider to be a low price), to date..no jacket..no tracking number...only one communication could I tease out of the Vendor a week ago..no responses since

Will it arrive or won't it? Do they want me to request a refund? Who knows

It used to be the case that for non-paying bidders you got three strikes then eBay killed your account. Not sure if that's the same for sellers....

 

[Guppy]

Ebay just announced new policies that will be effective after March. They are strongly encouraging sellers to accept returns up to 30 days after the sale.

I think that's fine for new products and retailers, but it's going to kill vintage clothing and sellers who use eBay like a digital flea market or garage sale.

They're also implementing a new "seller protection" program, which I am skeptical about. But I guess we'll see.