BARBISIO Brothers

[PanosChris]

Thanks, Panos. It will likely need the right environment to shine

It already shines, being part of your magnificent collection!

 

[steur]

Barbisio in black. Raw edge brim at 6,5cm and the fairly low crown at 9cm at the center dent. Very nice lightweight hat at 91 grams and the felt is very thin with a soft hand to it. The brim has a shallow flange to it and takes a downward swoop at the back. Sold to me as a size 55, but actually a size 57 (if I read what's left of the label right). Best 5 euro I spent in a while!

 

[steur]

Don't think we have a thread for this kind of thing, but they are Barbisio, so...
Found these two Barbisio hat holders/displays. Interesting is that the are made with aluminium trim top and bottom. I've seen these on sale before, but usually the asking price is inflated. These were affordable.

 

[Pkyoakum]

I have been collecting fedoras for only two months and learned a lot. I mostly have purchased Borsalinos. But I heard about Barbisio. So when I found a nice looking one on Ebay, I jumped on it. It was listed as in the 50s and from Italy for $225. From looking at Barbisio Brothers page I told the seller it was not from Italy and was not from 1950, so he changed the information. I had an offer of $150 and he took it. Now I regret that I may have made a mistake and the hat may be inferior to what I thought was getting. According to a guy I respect here, he said most likely it was made by Bollman in the USA and not good quality. The seller says he does not accept returns. I feel like I made a rookie mistake and way overpaid. What say you experts? Here are the photos.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I have been collecting fedoras for only two months and learned a lot. I mostly have purchased Borsalinos. But I heard about Barbisio. So when I found a nice looking one on Ebay, I jumped on it. It was listed as in the 50s and from Italy for $225. From looking at Barbisio Brothers page I told the seller it was not from Italy and was not from 1950, so he changed the information. I had an offer of $150 and he took it. Now I regret that I may have made a mistake and the hat may be inferior to what I thought was getting. According to a guy I respect here, he said most likely it was made by Bollman in the USA and not good quality. The seller says he does not accept returns. I feel like I made a rookie mistake and way overpaid. What say you experts? Here are the photos.
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If the seller misrepresented the hat it doesn’t matter if they accepts returns. Don’t go through the seller. Just initiate a return through eBay and they will make the seller accept the return and pay for your return shipping. Once the seller receives the hat back they will be forced by eBay to refund the cost, all shipping costs, and tax. If it was your mistake you have to eat it, but if it was misrepresented the seller has to accept the return regardless of what their personal policy is.

 

[Pkyoakum]

If the seller misrepresented the hat it doesn’t matter if they accepts returns. Don’t go through the seller. Just initiate a return through eBay and they will make the seller accept the return and pay for your return shipping. Once the seller receives the hat back they will be forced by eBay to refund the cost, all shipping costs, and tax. If it was your mistake you have to eat it, but if it was misrepresented the seller has to accept the return regardless of what their personal policy is.

Brent, I appreciate your good advice. What had happened is he had it listed as made in Italy and from the 1950s. After I told him what I found out, he thanked me and immediately changed to remove Italy and put date unknown. I think right in the middle of all this I had an offer of $150 of his $225 price. He immediately accepted the offer. Then later I found out more information it was more than likely made by Bollman in the US. Which began making Barbisios in 1986 or 87. So since he changed the information by the time the transaction was made, I probably don’t have a case. Hopefully the hat feels as good as the photos look. But I do feel I drastically overpaid thinking I was getting something different. I reckon I have to chalk this up to a rookie mistake.

 

[Pellie]

Nevertheless, i think the hat looks good. Nothing wrong with it.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

I have been collecting fedoras for only two months and learned a lot. I mostly have purchased Borsalinos. But I heard about Barbisio. So when I found a nice looking one on Ebay, I jumped on it. It was listed as in the 50s and from Italy for $225. From looking at Barbisio Brothers page I told the seller it was not from Italy and was not from 1950, so he changed the information. I had an offer of $150 and he took it. Now I regret that I may have made a mistake and the hat may be inferior to what I thought was getting. According to a guy I respect here, he said most likely it was made by Bollman in the USA and not good quality. The seller says he does not accept returns. I feel like I made a rookie mistake and way overpaid. What say you experts? Here are the photos.

Next time send me a picture or two and I will give you some advise I'm not joking

Nevertheless, i think the hat looks good. Nothing wrong with it.

Marcel may I dissent? It is an ugly hat

 

[Pellie]

Next time send me a picture or two and I will give you some advise I'm not joking


Marcel may I dissent? It is an ugly hat

I think it's not ugly. I like it.
Just the look of it i mean. About the quality i can't say much!!

 

[Pkyoakum]

The Barbisio arrived. It looks ok on the surface, but, in my opinion, it is very low quality, not even close to the description. Luckily, though the guy doesn't accept returns, I found four insect bites in the crown that were not mentioned, so filed a request to return. I would never wear this hat. I am sticking to vintage Borsalinos and nice vintage Barbisios (though I have never actually handled one). Bollman Hat Company not only made Barbisios in the 1980s, but also Barsalinos for a short while. I am learning to be cautious when buying hats online.

 

[Pellie]

I hope you will receive your money!
This happens to all of us once or twice. So you are not the only one i think.

 

[steur]

The Barbisio arrived. It looks ok on the surface, but, in my opinion, it is very low quality, not even close to the description. Luckily, though the guy doesn't accept returns, I found four insect bites in the crown that were not mentioned, so filed a request to return. I would never wear this hat. I am sticking to vintage Borsalinos and nice vintage Barbisios (though I have never actually handled one). Bollman Hat Company not only made Barbisios in the 1980s, but also Barsalinos for a short while. I am learning to be cautious when buying hats online.

It happens to all of us, even after having bought many many hats! It's all part of the vintage hat experience. You have already bought a hat from Adrian @Miamibruno; he's always a safe bet and I'm certain our resident Italian hat master Daniele @Daniele Tanto will have some hats in your size.

 

[Pkyoakum]

The Ebay seller ignored my request for a return the hat after I explained the hat is not as described and included 4 photos where moths had bit into the felt that was not described. Then the guy blocked me from writing him. But thankfully Ebay saw the photos and voted n my favor for a return and refund. I have never had such a bad experience with such a dishonest Ebay seller. Lesson leaned.

 

[Blare]

The Ebay seller ignored my request for a return the hat after I explained the hat is not as described and included 4 photos where moths had bit into the felt that was not described. Then the guy blocked me from writing him. But thankfully Ebay saw the photos and voted n my favor for a return and refund. I have never had such a bad experience with such a dishonest Ebay seller. Lesson leaned.

I’m sorry you had a bad experience… but glad it all worked out with eBay. Great learning experience though. Helped you get a feel for quality difference… and maybe some things to look for.

 

[Pkyoakum]

Any idea when this Barbisio was made?

 

[steur]

Any idea when this Barbisio was made?

Going by the liner and ribbon I'd say it's a later Barbisio, likely seventies.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

The Barbisio production was of the highest quality until the end of their activity (1981) and the Cervo hat factory also distinguished itself in production of the brand until the 2000s, then something got lost.

Super Barbisio Extra Lusso size 6 or 59 cm. in the US it is a 7 3/8.

The production is that of the historic factory in Sagliano Micca - Biella and the color of the felt and the finish were the reasons for the purchase.

The color is "Argento - Silver" and the felt finish is "Taupè" French word for a finish with little and short fur

The measures of the Barbisio are: the brim, over sewn is 6 cm. the open crown is 13.5cm and the contrasting ribbon is 4cm.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Barbisio, I admit...

 

[steur]

The Barbisio production was of the highest quality until the end of their activity (1981) and the Cervo hat factory also distinguished itself in production of the brand until the 2000s, then something got lost.

Super Barbisio Extra Lusso size 6 or 59 cm. in the US it is a 7 3/8.

The production is that of the historic factory in Sagliano Micca - Biella and the color of the felt and the finish were the reasons for the purchase.

The color is "Argento - Silver" and the felt finish is "Taupè" French word for a finish with little and short fur

The measures of the Barbisio are: the brim, over sewn is 6 cm. the open crown is 13.5cm and the contrasting ribbon is 4cm.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Barbisio, I admit...

Would could resist a beautiful hat like that? Excellent find, Daniele.

 

[mayserwegener]

Barbisio ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO SIG (S.I.G.) CELLOGRAF MILANO**, Barbisio "Apollo" ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO MADE in FRANCE, Bakelite Hat Markers, 6 cm X 4 cm, possibly 1920s.

** ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO SIG (S.I.G.) CELLOGRAF MILANO
It was founded in the twenties of the twentieth century with the name Società Industrie Grafiche Cellograf , in Milan [1], from Natale Sciascia, with the aim of making prints on celluloid. Its production soon extended
to advertising objects commissioned by various companies for display (advertising plates enriched with tear-off calendars or thermometers) at shops and administration points. There are countless companies for which
Cellograf has prepared advertising plates, now almost all extinct (the Gamberini Biscuit factory, Subsequently, the production also extended to exhibitors and retail objects for free or for sale (stickers, playing cards).
progressively during the eighties, until it ceased completely at the end of the decade, when the attention had shifted to the magnetic and telephone cards sector.

Cellograf-Simp - Wikipedia

it.wikipedia.org

 

[steur]

Barbisio ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO MADE in FRANCE, Barbisio "Apollo" ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO SIG (S.I.G.) CELLOGRAF MILANO**, Bakelite Hat Markers, 6 cm X 4 cm, possibly 1920s.

** ABBONAMENTO AL BOLLO SIG (S.I.G.) CELLOGRAF MILANO
It was founded in the twenties of the twentieth century with the name Società Industrie Grafiche Cellograf , in Milan [1], from Natale Sciascia, with the aim of making prints on celluloid. Its production soon extended
to advertising objects commissioned by various companies for display (advertising plates enriched with tear-off calendars or thermometers) at shops and administration points. There are countless companies for which
Cellograf has prepared advertising plates, now almost all extinct (the Gamberini Biscuit factory, Subsequently, the production also extended to exhibitors and retail objects for free or for sale (stickers, playing cards).
progressively during the eighties, until it ceased completely at the end of the decade, when the attention had shifted to the magnetic and telephone cards sector.

http://[URL]https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellograf-Simp#cite_ref-1

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Great little objects, Steve, and good to see them preserved. Those small items would run a serious risk to be lost otherwise.