BARBISIO Brothers

[alanfgag]

Excellent! I thought that the Bulgarian sold rat-gondin was odd for using the French for nutria (you have seen this hat, I think). Is this nom for the fur in Italian too?

 

[steur]

Excellent! I thought that the Bulgarian sold rat-gondin was odd for using the French for nutria (you have seen this hat, I think). Is this nom for the fur in Italian too?

I think the French influence on hat-terminology (and fashion in general) was more dominant before the war. I've read that of the Dutch hat-industry as well: all the technical terms used there were French (at least in origin). It was actually the term that caught my eye to this hat, having seen it on your hat.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

I was very pleased to get this one. I'm a fan of Barbisio hats and it's the brand I own most hats of, after Borsalino. Barbisio Rat Gondin (that's nutria to you and me) in a size 56, with the raw edge brim at 6cm and the crown 11cm at the pinch. The label has faded unfortunately, but I think the colour is Umbria.
This is the earliest Barbisio hat I have seen. It was sold by Pietro Radiconcini&Figlio of Rome. There are several hats sold by Radiconcini posted on the lounge, but usually that is Alfredo Radiconcini, being the "Figlio" of Pietro.

In the myriad of excellent and superb hats that "Santa Claus" Stefan publishes repeatedly these days, this is memorable for me. Soon said: it is one of the oldest Barbisio I have seen. It is for the shape, the finish, the absence of the lining and the tip under the crown that is synonymous for many European hats of "very old age"; Iforget the shop where it was sold. I could tell you that the color is magnificent, a classic in the Barbisio variants, but I would repeat myself.
One of the Italian hats, together a few that belong to the first half of the last century.
PS! The french terminology in Italian hats production was very vivid, Borsalino docet with his French sizes

 

[steur]

Daniele, thanks. I'll chalk this one up as another (very) worthy Italian hat saved.

 

[alanfgag]

Daniele, thanks. I'll chalk this one up as another (very) worthy Italian hat saved.

Thanks you for your wonderful photos Stefan... a pleasure to study. I just wandered through the entire Barbisio thread (so many photos missing) hunting for older examples and as you and Daniele have already remarked, there are precious few that appear to be from the first half of the 20th century. I find three candidates which I've copied below for reference:

This hat posted by Steve shows the Barbisio logotype with script lettering, featured in many of the early posters and ads and different than the one we see frequently where the exclamation point symbol is laced through the "B".

It has the manufacturing label that only appears in one other hat:

... the narrow Bulgarian homburg that I purchased from Dinerman:

The rondel in this rat-gondin homburg is the same as the one used in Stefan's new addition, also rat-gondin:

The label is different than above, but also different than almost all of the hats shown on this thread, appearing to have a tightly spaced perforation on two sides. I wish we could see the markings of model/color:

The sweatband imprints have the quality of an older manufacture, though I believe it follows the two homburg style hats in age.

There is one other hat whose liner shows the earlier script logotype as in these postecards of Steve's, but I've lost the page and am out of time to go back and find it again.

Of course manufacturing labels and liners and sweatbands are parts... parts that might have been older stock that were used and reused as inventories ran short in wartime and supplies were needed. I hope someday we will have more early examples to compare!

 

[Garrett]

 

[steur]

Thanks you for your wonderful photos Stefan... a pleasure to study. I just wandered through the entire Barbisio thread (so many photos missing) hunting for older examples and as you and Daniele have already remarked, there are precious few that appear to be from the first half of the 20th century. I find three candidates which I've copied below for reference:

This hat posted by Steve shows the Barbisio logotype with script lettering, featured in many of the early posters and ads and different than the one we see frequently where the exclamation point symbol is laced through the "B".

It has the manufacturing label that only appears in one other hat:

... the narrow Bulgarian homburg that I purchased from Dinerman:

The rondel in this rat-gondin homburg is the same as the one used in Stefan's new addition, also rat-gondin:

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The label is different than above, but also different than almost all of the hats shown on this thread, appearing to have a tightly spaced perforation on two sides. I wish we could see the markings of model/color:

The sweatband imprints have the quality of an older manufacture, though I believe it follows the two homburg style hats in age.

There is one other hat whose liner shows the earlier script logotype as in these postecards of Steve's, but I've lost the page and am out of time to go back and find it again.

Of course manufacturing labels and liners and sweatbands are parts... parts that might have been older stock that were used and reused as inventories ran short in wartime and supplies were needed. I hope someday we will have more early examples to compare!

Thanks for this comparison, Alan. I must go through the whole thread again myself (if only to look at these great hats again). I'll ask Daniele if he can dig up something about the store history (I came up empty-handed). That could help us with the time frame.

 

[steur]

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Welcome to the lounge, Leo. Unfortunately the pictures you posted don't show. Could you try again?

 

[steur]

I received this hat Saturday and I was trying to post pictures of it .I seem to be having problems. It is a Barbisio, made of Nutria. It ha a 3 1/4 to 3 3/8 brim. it looks like a cowboy hat to me. Dis Barbisio ever make cowboy hats?

Barbisio probably made the widest variety of hats. Very rarely they were western style hats though. I have only seen one, which looks like this:

Yours seems to be in a western style too though. Love to see more pics of it.

 

[alanfgag]

Cow Boy that is awesome!

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

Barbisio probably made the widest variety of hats. Very rarely they were western style hats though. I have only seen one, which looks like this:
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Yours seems to be in a western style too though. Love to see more pics of it.

Hey Stefan. I like this hat. Quite unusual.
How wide is the brim? Maybe you could talk about it some?? Thanks
Bowen

 

[steur]

Cow Boy that is awesome!

Thanks, Alan!

Hey Stefan. I like this hat. Quite unusual.
How wide is the brim? Maybe you could talk about it some?? Thanks
Bowen

I posted it before here, but only with thumbnail pics and without its information, so here it is again.

Barbisio Cow Boy in a size 58. Bound brim at 9cm (3 5/8" or thereabouts) and crown 11cm in the front. Fairly stiff for a European hat and blocked quite round (it holds on to the front and back of my head if I wear it). Probably never worn; the basting stitches are still in the two-tone ribbed ribbon. Probably made for the south American market ("fabricacion especiale" on the liner).

 

[AbbaDatDeHat]

Thanks Stefan. Pretty cool hat.
I like the crown ribbon too.
B

 

[steur]

Thanks Stefan. Pretty cool hat.
I like the crown ribbon too.
B

Thanks, Bowen. It is very cool and one of the very few western style hats I have in the collection.

 

[drmaxtejeda]

Barbisio Titan

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[Leo Bourgeois]

Love that hat great picture

 

[Steinbockhase]

Barbisio Titan

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"Superlativa"

 

[drmaxtejeda]

"Superlativa"

Sí.

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[steur]

Barbisio Titan

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Very beautiful hat, Max. Those titan chamois finishes are excellent quality. Barbisio has a habit of naming their colours after place names or geography. In your case Sardinia.

 

[Leo Bourgeois]