Bad repro looks

[John in Covina]

Sorry, Al Gore of Climate Change fame said he invented the internet.

Don't try to confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up.[huh]

 

[Atomic Age]

I hate to be picky, but the world wide web was invented by a Brit and Belgian working in Switzerland. Hypertext is from the US, but the first web server, editor and browser (and page) were all from Europe by Europeans.

I hate to be picky, but the ARPANET was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense. It went live in December of 1969, and the first emails were being sent by 1971.

The ARPANET morphed into the "internet" because of a bill that was passed in Congress in 1991.

Yes what has been come known as the World Wide Web was developed by Tim Berners Lee and Robert Cailliau, among others. But it would not exist with out the development of the ARPANET and Congressional action to create the internet. DNS was developed at Berkeley in 1984 to help make the ARPANET more user friendly. You would not have domain names and easy navigation with out DNS.

There is a reason that the US government controls all internet name servers. Domain names are issued by one company, Verisign (no matter who you get your domain name from it is actually issued by Verisign) which is a company over seen by ICANN. ICANN is authorized by the U.S. government to control domain name registration.

The upshot being that the internet, world wide, is run controlled and basically owned by the U.S. government.

Doug

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Folks, bad repro looks occur because they work. They save money, they keep producers happy, and in many cases, they keep the audience happy, because they see what is familiar plus a little "flavor" of a period.

We are not the British, who are an ancient civilization and can afford to be anoraks and wallies about any number of things. We are a young country that remakes everything in the image of Now. It is part of who we are, and it has done us much good, even as it limits us.

(Great big hint: The internet, the web, and the electronic bulletin board were not invented by the kind of civilization that values the past.)

Here only obsessive specialists care, and to most folks, we are party poopers - more of a pain than the bad styling.

Does anyone here really want to be a party pooper? And what can we do about it?

Well if this is true..why would someone watch all these movies that play in the past instead of storylines that take place here and now? I think the past is fascinating because it's different from now, not because everything is familiar. I don't even think thats escapism. I don't see why a accurate style should bother someone?!

Almost one of the worst movies that play in the 20s: Fabian (1979) by Wolf Gremm. Like a hippie dream of free love and all in a weimar berlin.:eusa_doh:

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Sonny Corleone's (James Caan's) blow-dried hairstyle in The Godfather, Part I. Wrong, wrong, wrong. :eusa_doh:

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Oh that's right. I watched godfather 1 yesterday, togehter with my girlfriend. She is also into that "vintage" style thingy so we could talk about it without being a party pooper. Sonny is the worst but most of the other hairstyles are dry as well. There were only a few scenes where michael corleone is greased up...just to be called a guinea greaseball or something.:eusa_doh:

 

[Atomic Age]

Well to be fair, not EVERYONE wore their hair slicked back with tons of Brylcreem. Just like not everyone wore their hair feathered in the 70's. Styles are only that uniform in the movies. In real life people wore their hair in lots of different ways. Not every woman wore V curls in the 40's. Not everyone had a Kate Gosslen haircut a year and a half ago. (though I did see a lot of them)

Of course Cann would probably have been getting ribbing about getting a hair cut by his buddies, just cause its too long.

Doug

 

[Lokar]

I hate to be picky, but the ARPANET was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense. It went live in December of 1969, and the first emails were being sent by 1971.

The ARPANET morphed into the "internet" because of a bill that was passed in Congress in 1991.

Yes what has been come known as the World Wide Web was developed by Tim Berners Lee and Robert Cailliau, among others. But it would not exist with out the development of the ARPANET and Congressional action to create the internet. DNS was developed at Berkeley in 1984 to help make the ARPANET more user friendly. You would not have domain names and easy navigation with out DNS.

There is a reason that the US government controls all internet name servers. Domain names are issued by one company, Verisign (no matter who you get your domain name from it is actually issued by Verisign) which is a company over seen by ICANN. ICANN is authorized by the U.S. government to control domain name registration.

The upshot being that the internet, world wide, is run controlled and basically owned by the U.S. government.

Doug

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the web would have come into existence without the US, but the actual creators of the web were not American. You even said so yourself. The claim that the web is American just isn't true, though. That was my point (and it's not European either, I never claimed that - it's an international creation).

 

[Atomic Age]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the web would have come into existence without the US, but the actual creators of the web were not American. You even said so yourself. The claim that the web is American just isn't true, though. That was my point (and it's not European either, I never claimed that - it's an international creation).

Yes scientists from all over the world contributed to the creation. But the web is wholly owned by the U.S. government. If they wanted to they could shut down the whole thing in a heart beat. Of course they won't.

Doug

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf


No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises and let people communicate on The Fedora Lounge.

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Well to be fair, not EVERYONE wore their hair slicked back with tons of Brylcreem. Just like not everyone wore their hair feathered in the 70's. Styles are only that uniform in the movies. In real life people wore their hair in lots of different ways. Not every woman wore V curls in the 40's. Not everyone had a Kate Gosslen haircut a year and a half ago. (though I did see a lot of them)

Of course Cann would probably have been getting ribbing about getting a hair cut by his buddies, just cause its too long.

Doug

It still looks very different with short back and sides. I have a book called "Least Wanted" with mugshots form 1900-70s and you see the diffenrence at once. Even if they are not "styled" they look way better than sonny boy.

 

[AmateisGal]

How about the 60's looks and dresses on women in so many WW2 movies made in the 60s? Did they think the 40s look wasn't good enough for a 40s movie? Watch especially, "Where Eeagles Dare," "The Dirty Dozen," and "Kelly's Heroes," and they don't even try to get the 40s look right on any women in those and many other films from that era... :eusa_doh:

I've noticed this too!!! Drives me NUTS.

 

[John in Covina]

It seems that at the time those were made there was a case of:
1) "We don't have the money to be accurate, I hope no one notices!"
2) "Don't bother, nobody cares really. Who's going to notice?"
3) "The players may get mad if we made them get haircuts."
4) "We don't have time for this, besides it's not crucial to telling the story."

While there are some good films back then there was a lot of crap made too. So much stuff came out that was dated, tied to the values of the times. They become cult classics in a sad way.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

It seems that at the time those were made there was a case of:

1) "We don't have the money to be accurate, I hope no one notices!"
2) "Don't bother, nobody cares really. Who's going to notice?"
3) "The players may get mad if we made them get haircuts."
4) "We don't have time for this, besides it's not crucial to telling the story."

5) "The audience wants to see its modern-day stars (as opposed to character actors) looking at least a bit modern."
6) "The audience will be turned off by historical fashions, makeup and hairstyles that are too different from its own. We must 'contemporize' such details to a greater or lesser degree."


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[Atomic Age]

5) "The audience wants to see its modern-day stars (as opposed to character actors) looking at least a bit modern."
6) "The audience will be turned off by historical fashions, makeup and hairstyles that are too different from its own. We must 'contemporize' such details to a greater or lesser degree."


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You've hit the nail on the head.

I think in many cases, particularly with In Harm's Way, there was a really attempt to "contemporize" World War Two for a "modern" audience. I read an interview with the costume designer of that film and completely intentional on the part of the filmmakers to update the look of the film so that it wouldn't feel old fashioned to the audience.

There was a similar attempt by the makers of L.A. Confidential to avoid things that looked old fashioned, hence the lack of hats in the movie.

Doug

 

[ukali1066]

I HATE HATE HATE seeing films with German WW2 officers with clumps of 1960's/70's/80's hair sticking out from under their caps....

The VERY short back and sides was beloved in that era...

 

[habberdasher]

Man, watch the Glenn Miller story sometime starring Jimmy Stewart and June Allyson. It was made in 1954 about' the 30s and 40's and all the women are wearing 50s full circle dresses and have short haircuts. It's weird! Even when they are portraying the 30s the womens clothing is wrong. A lot of movies made in the 50s get 30s and 40s fashion so wrong, or don't even try get it right at all.

Right!

 

[Matt Deckard]

The Winds of War

 

[2jakes]

On the set of "Paradise Alley" (1978) Mr. Stallone is sitting having make-up before the scene begins, I was an extra watching in the wings.
When he gets up to do his scene , I go over & ask the make-up lady , "This is suppose to be during the 1940's & his hair is way too long for
that time period" ? She replies, " Honey..you tell him that cuz I ain't ". Later when I saw the film..in the story…the brother yells to him..
"get a haircut..ya look like a bum "!!! I guess being the director he could've added the line so as not to cut his hair. I remember this because
my hair was cut short like in those old days !

 

[fortworthgal]

Pretty much any period film made during the 1950s through the 1970s is guilty of this!

 

[Olde English]

I am fairly tolerant, but the one film that guarantees me shouting at the television is 'The Battle of Britain' set in 1940, which features Susannah York with a blonde pixie crop hair style and frosted baby-pink lipstick. Pure 1969. Grrr...

 

[flat-top]

On the set of "Paradise Alley" (1978) Mr. Stallone is sitting having make-up before the scene begins, I was an extra watching in the wings.
When he gets up to do his scene , I go over & ask the make-up lady , "This is suppose to be during the 1940's & his hair is way too long for
that time period" ? She replies, " Honey..you tell him that cuz I ain't ". Later when I saw the film..in the story…the brother yells to him..
"get a haircut..ya look like a bum "!!! I guess being the director he could've added the line so as not to cut his hair. I remember this because
my hair was cut short like in those old days !

Paradise Alley is on TV right now....holy $#!+

 

[Fletch]

You know, even today, many people read period styles as bad taste. Such an attitude was probably near universal in earlier eras.

Today's movies often show the extras looking more period than the stars, probably because the extras won't complain.