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From what I'm seeing (and my Google Fu appears to be off this morning) it appears that Levine and Bee and King Bee were separate.
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From what I'm seeing (and my Google Fu appears to be off this morning) it appears that Levine and Bee and King Bee were separate.
Levine:
Bee Hat Company:
King Bee:
1908:
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Thanks a lot Bob ! Very cool, I think I need to go down to Levine next week !!
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Possibly European.
Thank you
Interesting looking Bowler A.C. Rarely have I seen ventilation holes on both the top of the crown and on the sweatband. Usually, it's either one or the other.
The remnants of the tip logo suggest this one never had a liner, which is also unusual for a Bowler.
I'm leaning toward a USA made Derby. It would help if you could say what part of the world you're in, how long your father has had the hat, and where he bought it.
The remnants of the tip logo suggest this one never had a liner, which is also unusual for a Bowler.
I'm leaning toward a USA made Derby. It would help if you could say what part of the world you're in, how long your father has had the hat, and where he bought it.
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The metric sizing doesn’t seem to fit with a US made hat unless it was made for export.
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I didn't think that was a metric 57. I think it's a punti 5 and a UK 7.
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Quite possibly; however, it still makes it unlikely to be a US made hat…even less likely if it was a 57cm hat.
Very interesting thank you all so much .
My father purchased the hat in New Hamburg
Ont. At an estate sale he has only had it maybe a little over a year .
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Well, that makes sense. Punti size 5 is equivalent to metric size 57 (cm) on the chart I referred to. The "7" on that size label must refer to something else. The hat itself is a little rough around the edges, but with a minor amount of clean-up I think it would make a nice "casual wear" hat.
New day, new question. (Because I'm new to felt hats.)
Why couldn't (or shouldn't) I get a dress weight nutria (Sunrise 2.0 - 160g) hat body and have it made into a western hat (by Gannon)?
I could pull the liner and maybe it would be light enough to wear most of the summer. Aside from the size of the crown and the brim, (but still the 2.0 should get a pretty good size western) why not?
Why couldn't (or shouldn't) I get a dress weight nutria (Sunrise 2.0 - 160g) hat body and have it made into a western hat (by Gannon)?
I could pull the liner and maybe it would be light enough to wear most of the summer. Aside from the size of the crown and the brim, (but still the 2.0 should get a pretty good size western) why not?
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No reason. As long as the felt is large enough to give the the crown height and brim width you want. Understand that the felt will have fewer stiffeners and be a bit more “floppy” and less western firm. If the brim gets too wide the felt won’t be able to support it’s weight and it could droop, but I do t think that will happen with the new 160g felts. These new 160g hat bodies have quite a bit more stiffening agents in them than the 150g felts. I bet it will make a great western. I’ve sent Gannon three of the 160g Sunrise felts, but it will be a couple of months before I can report back on what kind of hat they make. I bet Michael could leave the brim near full thickness and thin down the crown and give you something close to vintage western felt. Then again, Michael has been able to do the similar magic with the 220g western felts so aside from the slight increase in price between the dress and western weight felts I don’t know if there’s really a point in using the 160g felt for a western. Let us know if you go through with it and how it turns out.
I was thinking/hoping that the lighter weight felt might be a little bit cooler for summer wear?
Or is the 160g lighter because it's smaller?