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It is easier making a hat for yourself as you can tape the sweat together and try it on for size. I always end up cutting it twice as I err on the side of caution and get it a bit big so have to cut again. Take it slow.Belfast, I considered coming directly to you, but you've been such a help recently I thought I'd give you a break. Thank you, once again! Your advice is always so well detailed. That explains the angles. Ok, here I go! Thanks again!