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[Jel]

Need your expert eyes on this one. Need inputs as I have no experience with winter wool hats quality and brand. Thanks in advance.
https://www.hollandcooper.com/products/trilby-hat-green-feather

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[belfastboy]

Need your expert eyes on this one
https://www.hollandcooper.com/products/trilby-hat-green-feather

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Not sure if you are asking for input on this hat or not. But no way would I pay that kind of money for a wool hat. For not too much more you can get a custom hat made out of real fur felt.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Not sure if you are asking for input on this hat or not. But no way would I pay that kind of money for a wool hat. For not too much more you can get a custom hat made out of real fur felt.

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[Jel]

Not sure if you are asking for input on this hat or not. But no way would I pay that kind of money for a wool hat. For not too much more you can get a custom hat made out of real fur felt.

Yes I'm asking for input. I have no experience with winter wool hats quality or brands

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[belfastboy]

Yes I'm asking for input. I have no experience with winter wool hats quality or brands

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Wool is an inferior material with which to make hats (other than knitted toques). They tend to not hold their shape after being wetted from a downpour. The loss of shape is true for both brim and crown. Crowns tend to taper over time. The price point on this is one of the more expensive wools I have seen so it may be better quality than most. However, wool will never be an equal to a decent fur felt. There are a number of custom hatters that can supply you with a fur felt out of rabbit/hare that if taken care of will last you a lifetime...….even if you are young!!! If you are on a tight budget then I suggest you check out Akubra hats out of Australia. They offer rabbit fur felt and the hats are across the board well constructed and rugged (I have one 20 years old). Their price point is well below what they want for the wool one you reference. Check out Everything Austrailian (Akubra) or Hats Direct. They sell a great deal on line and both are highly reputable.

 

[Jel]

Wool is an inferior material with which to make hats (other than knitted toques). They tend to not hold their shape after being wetted from a downpour. The loss of shape is true for both brim and crown. Crowns tend to taper over time. The price point on this is one of the more expensive wools I have seen so it may be better quality than most. However, wool will never be an equal to a decent fur felt. There are a number of custom hatters that can supply you with a fur felt out of rabbit/hare that if taken care of will last you a lifetime...….even if you are young!!! If you are on a tight budget then I suggest you check out Akubra hats out of Australia. They offer rabbit fur felt and the hats are across the board well constructed and rugged (I have one 20 years old). Their price point is well below what they want for the wool one you reference. Check out Everything Austrailian (Akubra) or Hats Direct. They sell a great deal on line and both are highly reputable.

Awesome, wife dodged a bullet thanks to you. Have a great one ahead!

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[belfastboy]

Awesome, wife dodged a bullet thanks to you. Have a great one ahead!

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This is a great forum for all things fedora. If you have any other questions on where to go for a great hat just ask. Enjoy the hunt.

 

[Louis Mountbatten]

I was told by a guy on ebay that clear plastic did not show up in hat liners until the 1950s. Is that true, do you guys know? I mean, I guess it makes sense. But how can I find out for sure?

 

[Frunobulax]

I was told by a guy on ebay that clear plastic did not show up in hat liners until the 1950s. Is that true, do you guys know? I mean, I guess it makes sense. But how can I find out for sure?

Yes, the clear plastic showed up around then, owing to the coming revolution in plastics. Prior to that, the material was an oilskin or lighter cellophane. Prior to that, normally no covering at all. The theory is that, as pomades and other hair treatments became prevalent, something to protect the liner tip was needed.

 

[Louis Mountbatten]

Thanks. All that makes perfect sense.

 

[logan74k]

Hi there everyone. New Member, so apologies in advance if I make any faux pas with my query here - but I understand this would be a good place to ask with all you knowledgeable folks.

I'm looking to get a top hat like this made, or possibly off the shelf if it exists. Needs to be very close appearance wise. Would love to get the correct terms to describe what I'm looking for here - what the material is, any relevant info as to construction or style would be great for me as a novice to the hat collecting world.

If you all can recommend specific shops or makers for something like this, I would really appreciate that as well. Thanks!

 

[Daniele Tanto]

In Milano - Italia Cappelleria Melegari
https://www.cappelleriamelegari.com...nders_id=2&season_id=&colors_id=#.XhQ_H-hKiUl

 

[alanfgag]

Yes, the clear plastic showed up around then, owing to the coming revolution in plastics. Prior to that, the material was an oilskin or lighter cellophane. Prior to that, normally no covering at all. The theory is that, as pomades and other hair treatments became prevalent, something to protect the liner tip was needed.

It seems to me that shiny hair dressings for men were popular in the 1930s. The liner of the hat serves as felt protection as well as a way to finish the product and provide advertising to the manufacturer and retailer. Paper (European hats) cellophane and plastic crown protectors seem to be a post-war thing.

 

[Frunobulax]

It seems to me that shiny hair dressings for men were popular in the 1930s. The liner of the hat serves as felt protection as well as a way to finish the product and provide advertising to the manufacturer and retailer. Paper (European hats) cellophane and plastic crown protectors seem to be a post-war thing.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[alanfgag]

Thanks for the clarification.

Just a guess. Seems that hair treatments could be as thick and slick in the 1930s as in the 1950s. I grew up in the "vinyl wrap everyrthing" era. My mom had (I still have) an incredible set of red velour luggage with custom fitted vinyl covers. I'm not sure I have owned any hat from the 1930s with a protector over the crown lining.

 

[jlee562]

Lock: https://www.lockhatters.co.uk/men/top-hats-cokes-bowlers/town-shell-high-crown-top-hat.html

 

[Frunobulax]

Just a guess. Seems that hair treatments could be as thick and slick in the 1930s as in the 1950s. I grew up in the "vinyl wrap everyrthing" era. My mom had (I still have) an incredible set of red velour luggage with custom fitted vinyl covers. I'm not sure I have owned any hat from the 1930s with a protector over the crown lining.

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I suually associate the rise of heir gels and pomades with the 50s (Greasers, etc.). But yes, they did use some slick stuff in the thirties, as well. My limited collection has few, if any, pre-WWII hats, but I do have a few without protectors.

 

[thundurchasur]

I suually associate the rise of heir gels and pomades with the 50s (Greasers, etc.). But yes, they did use some slick stuff in the thirties, as well. My limited collection has few, if any, pre-WWII hats, but I do have a few without protectors.

I'm pretty sure many of us remember, "a little dab will do ya," Brylcream ads.

 

[Frunobulax]

I'm pretty sure many of us remember, "a little dab will do ya," Brylcream ads.

Yeah, and since my dad - and Pete Rose - had a flattop in the 60s, so did I for a while, Which led to...

 

[thundurchasur]

Yeah, and since my dad - and Pete Rose - had a flattop in the 60s, so did I for a while, Which led to...

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Don't forget this. I was born in 53 and wore a flat top through most of elementary school.