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[Kenan]

Looks very much like a 1930s Bay Area jacket. Ralphs-Pugh, Block, Golden Bear, Peters, etc all made jackets in this style. It was the Style. Considered a motorcycle jacket or Police Jacket in that era. All these Bay Area makers knew who was making what, so it was just the style of day, especially the styling of the front pocket.

Belt loops were added/subtracted as needed even if they don't seem to fit. Typically added for Police work to an existing MC jacket.

They could well have an identical original, not a mash-up. It would not surprise me they have copied this jacket from an original late 30s Golden Bear jacket,.

If they don't have the original it is a make up of Bay area jackets from the later 30s. Looks like an original with that label.

Look on the Japanese websites and you will see the Bay Area originals. They have or had them all. They can re-produce them so accurately because they own, or have access to the original jacket.

Nice they do this because that original would be near impossible to find

Thank you for this! The knowledge you posses amazing!

 

[Blackadder]

I would also keep it as is. It doesn't look bad. Vintage jackets that has unzip pockets looks like that. Rock yours with the vintage style!
Adding a zipper now is doable but needs surgery, and there is always a small risk in cosmetic surgery.
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For sale

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レア 40s 40年代 ビンテージ RALPHS-PUGH Top Notch Dポケ ダブル スタイル レザー スポーツ ジャケット 40-42位 30s 革ジャン ライダース 商品説明＋＋＋ こちらは、40年代頃のトップノッチ レザー スポーツ ジャケットになります。Top Notchは、古いレザージャケットではメジャーネームで、サンフランシスコのRALPHS-PUGH COMPANY INC.のレザーブランドです。ここのブランドに関しては昔

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[handymike]

I almost went for this Schott 618 (advertised)


but I ended up not doing it because I had my doubts...
It looks a lot like a Golden Bear....


any thoughts or info on what this Schott is?

 

[TooManyHatsOnlyOneHead]

I almost went for this Schott 618 (advertised)
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but I ended up not doing it because I had my doubts...
It looks a lot like a Golden Bear....
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any thoughts or info on what this Schott is?

It's definitely not a 618. But there's not much money in forging Schotts. You can regularly find twice worn ones for more than 50% off sticker. So it's most likely a Schott of some sort.

I remember a couple models that had the laces. I had a Per3, real nice jacket, collab with Barneys that was D pocket and side laces. And I think 115 had laces, more like the style you posted if I remember.

 

[Canuck Panda]

For sale

レア 40s 40年代 ビンテージ RALPHS-PUGH Top No... - Yahoo!オークション

レア 40s 40年代 ビンテージ RALPHS-PUGH Top Notch Dポケ ダブル スタイル レザー スポーツ ジャケット 40-42位 30s 革ジャン ライダース 商品説明＋＋＋ こちらは、40年代頃のトップノッチ レザー スポーツ ジャケットになります。Top Notchは、古いレザージャケットではメジャーネームで、サンフランシスコのRALPHS-PUGH COMPANY INC.のレザーブランドです。ここのブランドに関しては昔

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OMG! Size works too! I swear every time I need to reign in the spending, awesome stuff comes up, like this and the GW in classified. Every time. I am cursed.
Thanks for the tip though. Now my internal struggles begins...

 

[JMax]

It’s a legitimate Schott. Don’t recall the model number (5xxs?). Not uncommon. Not a currently made jacket. Not vintage.

All I got.

When I see the style I do think GB or Schott. I like it.

 

[Bahabp100]

I almost went for this Schott 618 (advertised)
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but I ended up not doing it because I had my doubts...
It looks a lot like a Golden Bear....
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any thoughts or info on what this Schott is?

A 125 but I think it has only 2 belt loops on back

 

[Marc mndt]

Does anyone know the model name of this Vanson police jacket? It's not listed on their website.

 

[Mandarin]

Looks like a fake to me.

 

[Marc mndt]

Looks like a fake to me.

I just rechecked the listing, I'm actually seeing two different jackets. Weird.

Seller just clarified. He mixed up two listings.

 

[Mandarin]

That's more like it!

 

[tmitchell59]

OMG! Size works too! I swear every time I need to reign in the spending, awesome stuff comes up, like this and the GW in classified. Every time. I am cursed.
Thanks for the tip though. Now my internal struggles begins...

I've looked at this jacket many times.

Label first used in 1938. This jacket appears to have an original Talon sunrise zipper, dating 1938-1942. RP had several variations on this map pocket/front configuration., all of them are interesting. The lining is such a plus. RP jackets from this era seldom come up for sale. I have one older and several from the 50s. In fact I just bought a 50s jacket today.

 

[Aloysius]

I almost went for this Schott 618 (advertised)


but I ended up not doing it because I had my doubts...

This is a 125, the removable-belt sibling of the 118/618 which retained the cinch setup of the Schott/Beck 999.

 

[MrProper]

Question about halfbelt jackets.
In many pictures I think I see that the halfbelt of these jackets sits rather an inch above the waist.
I would have assumed that the halfbelt is correctly at waist level.
What is correct?

 

[Aloysius]

This is a 125, the removable-belt sibling of the 118/618 which retained the cinch setup of the Schott/Beck 999.

@handymike There's what seems to be a new old stock one of these at ~ $500 right now in a sale Ton linked.

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[HarryLime]

Which current makers make a D-pocket specifically like this, with the more "oddly" shaped pocket? This one is the FCL Graham, but what other options are there?

 

[TooManyHatsOnlyOneHead]

Which current makers make a D-pocket specifically like this, with the more "oddly" shaped pocket? This one is the FCL Graham, but what other options are there?

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try looking for aviator style. they tend to have the more ornate pocket.

Also, Schott has a really cool one with a very OG style liner and it's on sale right now. Really tempting. I tried one on at the LA store few months back.

 

[Blackadder]

Which current makers make a D-pocket specifically like this, with the more "oddly" shaped pocket? This one is the FCL Graham, but what other options are there?

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Off the rack
Westride (I believe discontinued but you can still find old stock at some stores)

https://item.rakuten.co.jp/track358/3953/

AVIATOR JACKET

商品特色 << Material >>ORIGINAL GOAT SKIN FULL VEGITABLE TANNNED SEMI-ANILINE FINISHLINING:ORIGINAL MELTON WOOL90% COTTON10%<< Ornament >>WALDES ZIPPER/WALDES BALL CHAIN ZIPPER/ORIGINAL BUCKLE<< Country of origin >>MADE IN JAPAN 商品描述 設計概念源自於 1930 年代的古董 AVIATOR 翻領皮革外套，並融入更符合騎士穿著使用的細節加以重新詮

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MTO
Norshor

NS Sunburst — NorShor Leather

A COMPLETELY NEW PATTERN FOR AN OFFSET LAPEL HALFBELT, THE "SUNBURST" REPLICATES A POPULAR GOLDEN AGE DESIGN. THIS NEW JACKET FEATURES A SLIGHTLY ROOMIER CUT THAN THE NS1 ALONG WITH REDESIGNED CUFFS AND BACK. ON THE OUTSIDE IS A LARGE, CANVAS LINED “D”TYPE POCKET WITH A BALL CHAIN ZIPPER

www.norshorleatherjackets.com

Bill Kelso can make one
Rumour is they make the Block Bilt but I don't think Block Bilt is still around.

Biker - BLOCK-BILT

Block-Bilt D-Pocket Jacket - Bill Kelso Mfg.

Vintage leather jacket style which will be reproduced from scratch after you order it. We will design new patterns based on our size chart (so it will fit just like originals), or completely custom made with your own desired measurements.

billkelsomfg.com

Double Back Pleat Half-Belt Jacket - Bill Kelso Mfg.

Vintage leather jacket style which will be reproduced from scratch after you order it. We will design new patterns based on our size chart (so it will fit just like originals), or completely custom made with your own desired measurements.

billkelsomfg.com

 

[Aloysius]

Which current makers make a D-pocket specifically like this, with the more "oddly" shaped pocket? This one is the FCL Graham, but what other options are there?

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The Schott PER28 (the big sale on it applies even when ordering an out of stock size) or this Aero whose name I don’t know. Greg Field does one too. All of these would be better options than FCL imo.

 

[jeo]

Which current makers make a D-pocket specifically like this, with the more "oddly" shaped pocket? This one is the FCL Graham, but what other options are there?

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You're not going to find one with that exact shape, but here are a few options of unique D-pocket designs.


Johnson Bros

Mushmans Daredevil

Sugar Cane

Westride

Cidu

Tenjin Works