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[jonbuilder]

The downside with MV is that all the jackets he sells are in 'superb' 'stunning' or 'excellent' vintage condition. Even though they have clear issues. His statements on condition aren't worth that much.

MV does offer 30-day return your only cost is the return shipping

 

[handymike]

I returned one once, and it cost me about $30 to ship the jacket back. I was refunded the purchase price but not the original shipping, so I ended up losing around $80 on a $125 jacket that was smaller than described. Gambles.
This one worked out as I knew how these jackets fit going in. I also now know he includes the collar in his back measurements.

 

[Marc mndt]

MV does offer 30-day return your only cost is the return shipping

Plus customs fees and custom handling fees etc. In Europe we don't have $800 thresholds like you Americans do

I did get a partial refund once from MV because the stitching on the sleeve zippers was undone, which he failed to mention in his listing.

 

[willyto]

Leather jackers that come from bales are pure lottery. The condition can and will vary greatly.

Also the pressed wrinkles can’t be erased unless to try extreme methods like ironing or steaming which I wouldn’t recommend.

Mine was described properly as having a bad smell in the lining but it was worse than imagined. I just lost £70-80 so not terrible.

It also helped me love the crosszip style. I wish it would have worked! Black german leather crosszip with some white details and a full belt that I kept for some reason.

I almost bought the Double Breasted buttoned german jacket recently that was mint condition but no way at £500 plus shipping plus custom duties/taxes/handling fees. At that point I rather go new for example Whitefeather has a similar style.

 

[Monitor]

Not a leather jacket topic per se but we're getting discussed again. I for one agree with what our friends over at Styleforum has to say about TFL, at least to some extent, but I think the difference between SF and TFL has gotten very, very blurred in recent years.

Anyway, just something y'all might be interested in so I'll share it here as this does seem to be the only general thread about stuff rn...

https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...-of-the-best-youve-seen-owned.71625/page-2030

 

[Carlos840]

The downside with MV is that all the jackets he sells are in 'superb' 'stunning' or 'excellent' vintage condition. Even though they have clear issues. His statements on condition aren't worth that much.

+1
I bought maybe 5 or 6 jacket from MV and returned all of them.
Everytime either measurements or condition where not accurately represented.

 

[Carlos840]

Not a leather jacket topic per se but we're getting discussed again. I for one agree with what our friends over at Styleforum has to say about TFL, at least to some extent, but I think the difference between SF and TFL has gotten very, very blurred in recent years.

Anyway, just something y'all might be interested in so I'll share it here as this does seem to be the only general thread about stuff rn...

https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...-of-the-best-youve-seen-owned.71625/page-2030

Here are the TFL related posts:

"dude TFL is very knowledgeable but they aren't big on "fit". Ive seen a lot of really awfully fitting jackets there."
"They're also not very big on, shall we say, a diversity of opinion"
"do they wear jackets open or closed over there ?"

"There is a thread over on TFL of a guy who is soliciting opinions on the fit of his jacket, an Aero Aeromarine. The responses are very flattering. Frenkly, though, the thing is awful, absolutely awful. I could care less what your particular style orientation is, that fit shouldn't receive a compliment.

Interestingly, there is another thread which is quite intteresting and helpful, depending on how one looks at it. A thread devoted to what people whould have done differently with their first Aero purchase from the hindsight of having all the experience behind them. Suprisingly, for TFL, there are many posters who, in hindsight, would have had nothing to do with Aero had they known then what they know now.

It's an intteresting discussion about patterns and how, notwithstanding actual measurements of a jacket, it can be cut in a way that just hangs differently than other jackets and distributes weight on your body differently.

I've often wondered why certain jackets of mine settle on my body differently than other jackets even though the measurements are virtually identical."

Kinda funny IMO.
I don't really ever go on SF, but from the little i have seen there, they care about how they look, not about the jackets themselves...

 

[Monitor]

Here are the TFL related posts:

"dude TFL is very knowledgeable but they aren't big on "fit". Ive seen a lot of really awfully fitting jackets there."
"They're also not very big on, shall we say, a diversity of opinion"
"do they wear jackets open or closed over there ?"

"There is a thread over on TFL of a guy who is soliciting opinions on the fit of his jacket, an Aero Aeromarine. The responses are very flattering. Frenkly, though, the thing is awful, absolutely awful. I could care less what your particular style orientation is, that fit shouldn't receive a compliment.

Interestingly, there is another thread which is quite intteresting and helpful, depending on how one looks at it. A thread devoted to what people whould have done differently with their first Aero purchase from the hindsight of having all the experience behind them. Suprisingly, for TFL, there are many posters who, in hindsight, would have had nothing to do with Aero had they known then what they know now.

It's an intteresting discussion about patterns and how, notwithstanding actual measurements of a jacket, it can be cut in a way that just hangs differently than other jackets and distributes weight on your body differently.

I've often wondered why certain jackets of mine settle on my body differently than other jackets even though the measurements are virtually identical."

Kinda funny IMO.
I don't really ever go on SF, but from the little i have seen there, they care about how they look, not about the jackets themselves...

Some of the long-time members there know a lot about leather & jacket making too and will basically comment in the same manner as we do on TFL and while they used to have some kind of an aversion toward TFL in the past (though seeing some of the photos from back in the days, I can see that), that seems to have toned down. Newer members used to be legit hype-beasts but forums are dying and I don't suppose SF is getting as many new people as it used to, everyone going over to other social media platforms. I mean, even TikTok is kinda old now and TFL just barely began shuffling toward Instagram.

Still, nothing can top this thread...
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=167815571

 

[Carlos840]

Some of the long-time members there know a lot about leather & jacket making too and will basically comment in the same manner as we do on TFL and while they used to have some kind of an aversion toward TFL in the past (though seeing some of the photos from back in the days, I can see that), that seems to have toned down. Newer members used to be legit hype-beasts but forums are dying and I don't suppose SF is getting as many new people as it used to, everyone going over to other social media platforms. I mean, even TikTok is kinda old now and TFL just barely began shuffling toward Instagram.

Still, nothing can top this thread...
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=167815571

Lol, 22 pages of angry bodybuilders making fun of TFL! Gold...
That place is nasty!

 

[Monitor]

Lol, 22 pages of angry bodybuilders making fun of TFL! Gold...
That place is nasty!

I'm going thru it again, literally laughing out loud. The whole banality of existence, buncha insecure Chads, living at the same side of the same spectrum, laughing at (equally insecure) people who literally do the same thing, for the same reason, to get to the same point in life. . . You cannot help but laugh.

Plus some of the comments are genuinely funny.

 

[Carlos840]

I'm going thru it again, literally laughing out loud. The whole banality of existence, buncha insecure Chads, living at the same side of the same spectrum, laughing at (equally insecure) people who literally do the same thing, for the same reason, to get to the same point in life. . . You cannot help but laugh.

Plus some of the comments are genuinely funny.

The fact that they are on that forum, posting pics of their glutes and 6 pacs asking other dudes what they think of their bodies, whilst calling TFL users "phaggots" and "betas" is IMO pretty priceless...

 

[Marc mndt]

Not a leather jacket topic per se but we're getting discussed again. I for one agree with what our friends over at Styleforum has to say about TFL, at least to some extent, but I think the difference between SF and TFL has gotten very, very blurred in recent years.

Anyway, just something y'all might be interested in so I'll share it here as this does seem to be the only general thread about stuff rn...

https://www.styleforum.net/threads/...-of-the-best-youve-seen-owned.71625/page-2030

I think the concept of a good 'fit' is partially subjective, partially objective, partially jacket style related and partially time-related. That's why it's so hard (if not impossible) to have a shared opinion on the fit of some particular jacket.

Subjective

Personally, I prefer a fitted/trim look over comfort. I'd rather wear a jacket with a nice silhouette that's slightly restrictive, than a baggy jacket that allows for a lot of movement. Others prefer comfort. Matter of personal taste, totally subjective.

Objective

A v-shaped pattern is not suitable for someone with an 'apple' or 'pear' figure and vice versa. I have relatively broad shoulders and narrow hips. A jacket without any taper would look bad on me and would objectively be a bad fit.

Some jackets suffer from pattern issues. A lot of Aero jackets (not all) show creases from the neck to the pits. Personally I'd say that's an example of a objectively bad fit. However, I know some people don't mind those creases. They might say it adds character.

Jacket style related

A racing shirt / cafe racer should have relatively short sleeves with narrow ends.

A halfbelt or coat is usually worn over a sweater or shirt and should therefore have wider and longer sleeves which cover the sleeves of the sweater that's worn underneath.

Time related

In the 90s people preferred droopy shoulders, in the 50s people preferred a boxy silhouette, in the 30s jackets were worn fitted. Fit is a time related concept.

This is a Levi's trucker from the 50s. I think it's a perfect fit (according to the style of the 50s). This is how truckers were worn back then. I know a lot of people will disagree. They will look at this jacket and say the sleeves and body length are way too short. Bad fit. But that's judging a jacket from the 50s by today's style preferences.

Because of all of the above, I think 'fit' is a concept that's hard / impossible to argue about. Personally, I take into account all the above aspects. But I can perfectly understand why someone who buys a racing shirt to wear it as a every day jacket, would opt for longer and wider sleeves.

 

[Mich486]

Interesting discussion about fit. I think over at SF they have some valid points (the body building forum on the other hand is worst than the daily express comments section, and it takes an effort to get there).

I agree in principle with most of what Marc writes above. The bit I don’t fully agree with or at least I’d expand a bit more is about slim fit vs relaxed fit. I don’t think a more relaxed fitting jacket or trousers means necessarily giving up beauty in exchange of comfort. Someone might purposefully opt for a more relaxed fit because they think it looks better than a spray-on look. As long as done well I can appreciate both. It’s written nowhere that good fitting casual clothes must fit like a tailored sport coat.

 

[Marc mndt]

The bit I don’t fully agree with or at least I’d expand a bit more is about slim fit vs relaxed fit. I don’t think a more relaxed fitting jacket or trousers means necessarily giving up beauty in exchange of comfort.

Great addition. I agree, a relaxed fit can be just as flattering as a trim fit.

 

[Pandemic]

Different fits for different body shapes - it’s hard to asses a certain degree of ‘trimness’ being better without knowing the body it will be on.

 

[Riu]

The level on that forum...nice one.

 

[MrProper]

Personally, I prefer a fitted/trim look over comfort. I'd rather wear a jacket with a nice silhouette that's slightly restrictive, than a baggy jacket that allows for a lot of movement. Others prefer comfort. Matter of personal taste, totally subjective.

+1
Today I tried my tightest jacket (5* CR) on the bycicle and I have to say that although it is the tightest, I have the best freedom of movement and is the most comfortable of all my jackets. The cut fits perfectly for me.
So trim fit and comfort are also possible together.

 

[navetsea]

at SF they wear their jacket open like skinny blazer, they don't mind if the sleeve is on the short side either, very rare you see jacket worn half zipped there so naturally they choose smaller size. I have no problem with their fit, just not my preference since I wear mine half zipped or buttoned mostly, and since everything leather jacket is lumped into that single thread I rarely go there.

lol the bodybuilding forum part, bunch of insecure people mocking others on their look and bodyshape... maybe that's why they're on bodybuilding since they feel insecure of their default figure.

 

[MrProper]

Still, nothing can top this thread...
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=167815571

I've skimmed the thread a little. The postings say a lot about their authors. There is not much besides belittling others.
Actually, often the behavior of people with low self-esteem or those who only define themselves through one quality. Elevate yourself by belittling others.
Actually pretty sad.

 

[navetsea]

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I think the concept of a good 'fit' is partially subjective, partially objective, partially jacket style related and partially time-related. That's why it's so hard (if not impossible) to have a shared opinion on the fit of some particular jacket.

Subjective

Personally, I prefer a fitted/trim look over comfort. I'd rather wear a jacket with a nice silhouette that's slightly restrictive, than a baggy jacket that allows for a lot of movement. Others prefer comfort. Matter of personal taste, totally subjective.

Objective

A v-shaped pattern is not suitable for someone with an 'apple' or 'pear' figure and vice versa. I have relatively broad shoulders and narrow hips. A jacket without any taper would look bad on me and would objectively be a bad fit.

Some jackets suffer from pattern issues. A lot of Aero jackets (not all) show creases from the neck to the pits. Personally I'd say that's an example of a objectively bad fit. However, I know some people don't mind those creases. They might say it adds character.

Jacket style related

A racing shirt / cafe racer should have relatively short sleeves with narrow ends.

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A halfbelt or coat is usually worn over a sweater or shirt and should therefore have wider and longer sleeves which cover the sleeves of the sweater that's worn underneath.

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Time related

In the 90s people preferred droopy shoulders, in the 50s people preferred a boxy silhouette, in the 30s jackets were worn fitted. Fit is a time related concept.

This is a Levi's trucker from the 50s. I think it's a perfect fit (according to the style of the 50s). This is how truckers were worn back then. I know a lot of people will disagree. They will look at this jacket and say the sleeves and body length are way too short. Bad fit. But that's judging a jacket from the 50s by today's style preferences.

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Because of all of the above, I think 'fit' is a concept that's hard / impossible to argue about. Personally, I take into account all the above aspects. But I can perfectly understand why someone who buys a racing shirt to wear it as a every day jacket, would opt for longer and wider sleeves.

I'm not too sensitive on sleeve and body length since wearing denim jacket, but your roughout seems like someone removed the cuff?