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[Mich486]

If you are ok with the alteration, I think for €300 it’s a pretty good deal as it looks brand new. If you like it go for it. I also think you could resell it at around that price. Apart from original vintage jackets, all repros are “bad” investments as one rarely makes a profit.

 

[Aleksanda Jeremic]

Yes ,probably you are correct...no collection value here.I wish I have a time machine ,so I can go back and slap the seller before he does any damage to this ,once great jacket..Then I go in a future find out about winning lottery numbers ,play lottery win ,buy a brand new eastman jacket and then give a great portion of money to people in need..as what is wealth if you don t share it.

 

[Aleksanda Jeremic]

If you are ok with the alteration, I think for €300 it’s a pretty good deal as it looks brand new. If you like it go for it. I also think you could resell it at around that price. Apart from original vintage jackets, all repros are “bad” investments as one rarely makes a profit.

Thanks a lot ,I agre

 

[Aleksanda Jeremic]

Thanks a lot ,I agre

Agreee one more e that is the one that ran away from a previous reply

 

[Nathan Ford]

@ Nathan Ford -- Is this the Flat Head jacket you are considering?

https://www.selfedge.com/jackets-vests/the-flat-head?product_id=1413

Wow...

No, it's not my cup of tea. I'm considering between their HB and cafe racer

 

[Colin G]

If you are ok with the alteration, I think for €300 it’s a pretty good deal as it looks brand new. If you like it go for it. I also think you could resell it at around that price. Apart from original vintage jackets, all repros are “bad” investments as one rarely makes a profit.

Mich makes a good point plus for the price and if you wear it who cares if the collar is not accurate and modified. I think a lot of shearling jackets get sold for the reasons the seller probably modified the collar for. Not everyone wants a little head floating on a giant pillow of fluffy shearling. I would have kept my ANJ-4 if the collar was not historically accurate and so huge but I was too dang hot in that thing anyway, even at -20 C I was cooking.

At that price you can turn it into a winter beater if you are not %100 in love and not feel guilty. Even if you pass it on for 200 you are not out much for the experience of knowing. That jacket new would be an expensive experiment but as cheap as it is and if it fits give it a whirl.

 

[Nathan Ford]

Reading all the advice above it sounds like getting a jacket that fits well is close to mysticism and staggeringly complex so I think you need to give up and just buy active wear from your nearby mall.

My heart almost stopped beating, dang.

Just joking. It can feel overwhelming, and another issue with jackets is overthinking them. Guys frequently buy good fitting jackets but decide that they are wrong in some way - out half an inch in the length or the wrong shape at the back when zipped, etc. It is easy to become a perfectionist and set yourself some crazy standards and even see problems with the fit that no one else would notice or care about. That's when you know you are in deep.

On size - it is a good starting place - I am generally a 42 in jackets - however in Aero jackets, for instance, I wear a 38, 40, 42, 44, 46, depending on the pattern. This is why the size can have limitations. Pit-to pit may change with patterns.

Like jeo I have a range of measurements I tend to go with. Pit to pit being the most important, followed by sleeve length. Sleeve because I have a hatred of sleeves that look too short to me. Some people don't share that. I personally do worry about shoulders - in my experience anything less than 18.5 and anything over 21 looks bad on me. From empirical evidence I can say the first will sit too tight, the second almost always look sloppy.

I can see 2 lesson: Stop being a perfectionist and the sum of shoulder width and sleeve length might be better than any alone.

 

[Aleksanda Jeremic]

Thanks Colin, good point

 

[Jin431]

Can't get over how good that jacket looks.

Thanks! i had to send it back to the maker (Johnson Leather SF) for adjustment before I got to this fit.

 

[Nathan Ford]

Getting a decent fit is not complicated, especially if the jacket has a good pattern. These tend to look good on people with different body shape. I lost quite a bit of weight last year but still kept all of my jackets, some of them are a bit big, but still fit well. You can still buy jackets for life and keep them - that is mostly what I have done so far with few exceptions.

When it comes to TFH, they are geared towards the Asian market, so I would not risk it this early on, without having a chance to try it on. The numbers won't help you here, either you have the right body type or you don't.

Edit: in this [URL='https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/red-devil-fit-checks-evolution.101045/']thread[/URL] I try to highlight the differences after having lost weight.

Really interesting, I found your thread and [URL='https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/what-jacket-are-you-wearing-today.82949/page-1376#post-2733736']this[/URL] from @Carlos840 proved that the leather jacket can fit very flexible. Thank you!

 

[red devil]

Really interesting, I found your thread and [URL='https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/what-jacket-are-you-wearing-today.82949/page-1376#post-2733736']this[/URL] from @Carlos840 proved that the leather jacket can fit very flexible. Thank you!

Exactly, the fit can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be.

 

[hughesovka]

Does anyone here have any insight regarding the durability of deerskin?

 

[Jin431]

Does anyone here have any insight regarding the durability of deerskin?

I was informed by Johnson Leather that it is extremely durable and has high abrasive resistance despite being light.

 

[Hh121]

I was informed by Johnson Leather that it is extremely durable and has high abrasive resistance despite being light.

probably JL only has lightweight deerskin in stock, there are lots of deerskin around 5oz.

 

[navetsea]

My heart almost stopped beating, dang.

I can see 2 lesson: Stop being a perfectionist and the sum of shoulder width and sleeve length might be better than any alone.

if you have standard lean body it is very simple just use p2p, the jacket itself already has proportion just eyeballing a jacket photo you can see if the jacket has a good proportion or not, if the jacket look like it has good proportion then just measure your chest p2p, it is almost impossible to have a jacket that fit on your body and not fitting your shoulder (if such case happen you probably already can see from the photo that the jacket look weird or probably designed for women) , there is a chance the sleeve is too short when you are too lean for your height or vise versa if you are too chunky for your height compared to standard body type. if you have huge shoulder from some sport activity on otherwise normal lean body for example then you need to ask for shoulder measurement even sleeve hole diameter.
as long as your build is average joe, don't over complicate it just measure the chest of another jacket calculate lining type bulkiness if you want thick lining.

leather jacket/ denim jacket will settle and look cool once really worn, it is just many people here aim for perfect day 1 out of the box look, and sell the jacket before it has any chance to proof itself but with tens or dozens or hundreds? of jackets in their collection past and present it has come to that for them (not to criticize) but if you have a rail full with perfectly fit jackets accumulated over the years then a new jacket come with just a "good" fit, then "good" won't make the cut it would never get any wears , now "normal" folk will just wear the one or few jacket they own and after x months or x years it will look the part.

 

[Jin431]

probably JL only has lightweight deerskin in stock, there are lots of deerskin around 5oz.

They have different weights readily available, I handled a light bomber that was probably 2oz-2.5oz

they also had a jacket that was around 3.5-4 oz, it was hefty but still buttery

 

[Seb Lucas]

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leather jacket/ denim jacket will settle and look cool once really worn, it is just many people here aim for perfect day 1 out of the box look, and sell the jacket before it has any chance to proof itself but with tens or dozens or hundreds? of jackets in their collection past and present it has come to that for them (not to criticize) but if you have a rail full with perfectly fit jackets accumulated over the years then a new jacket come with just a "good" fit, then "good" won't make the cut it would never get any wears , now "normal" folk will just wear the one or few jacket they own and after x months or x years it will look the part.

I like this. True enough. I personally am not looking for perfection in fit or manufacture.

 

[red devil]

probably JL only has lightweight deerskin in stock, there are lots of deerskin around 5oz.

JL can source almost whatever you want, they have contacts with many tanneries... you just need to ask.

 

[Carlos840]

Does anyone here have any insight regarding the durability of deerskin?

Not sure what you mean by durability when talking about a jacket, as most of us don't do anything in our jackets that would challenge durability, but i have been beating the crap out if deerskin work gloves for years and they are tough.
They'll get scratched up pretty fast, but the skin itself is super tough, good resistance to puncture, tear, abrasion, all whilst being super soft and allowing good dexterity.
The best bit is that when they get wet they dry soft rather than turning into cardboard.

 

[Marc mndt]

When we talk about build quality, stitch count is one of the factors we take into consideration. The higher the stitch count the better, because it looks neat? More pleasing to the eye?

But I wonder, how does stitch count affect the integrity of the leather. I can imagine that a really high stitch count would weaken the leather considerably. Think of perforated paper which is designed to tear along the perforated line. Doesn't it work the same with leather?

If I look closely at this ripped seam, it's not the thread that has come undone. I think I see a tear in the leather.

Could this be the result of a too high stitch count? What would be the optimal stitch count in terms seam strength? Any thoughts?