Aero Goatskin. Does it build a patina?

[handymike]

Examples of what I'd call patina on a leather jacket, though technically, it's what denimheads define as fades.

This one’s a little too far gone for my taste. I prefer the level of the Connolly one in HD’s post.

 

[Mich486]

Strictly speaking ‘patina’ is a build up of a thin layer of something onto something else. Teacore effect, faded areas etc. are technically the opposite of patina. Words are just a mean of course so who cares as long we understand each other but it is used here in an odd way.

 

[zebedee]

Strictly speaking ‘patina’ is a build up of a thin layer of something onto something else. Teacore effect, faded areas etc. are technically the opposite of patina. Words are just a mean of course so who cares as long we understand each other but it is used here in an odd way.

We need a new word.

 

[Will Zach]

^^
Yes. I don't particularly like the word "fades" for denim either. Because these areas have not faded per se, but the color was "worn out" by wear-related abrasion.

 

[zebedee]

^^
Yes. I don't particularly like the word "fades" for denim either. Because these areas have not faded per se, but the color was "worn out" by wear-related abrasion.

Whatever the word is, we'll need a noun and a verb.

 

[handymike]

The proper term and our new verbiage should denote “character”. Much like the lines on my forehead.
Maybe “charakter” or “Karakter”

 

[Will Zach]

The concept of wabi sabi captures the character developed by an older object perfectly. It is just not easily translatable. Patina sounds phony.

 

[handymike]

Wabi Sabi is also about embracing the imperfections in things, not so applicable to us. Character is earned!

Charactere- the quality of being individual in an interesting or unusual way.

 

[tropicalbob]

Aristotle, in the Poetics, defines character as the choices a man will make. Pretty good definition, imho.

 

[handymike]

We could go back to the Greek:

 

[zebedee]

'Character' is the most accurate term for what we're meaning, I think. I like the Greek term. Jacket's got that Special K.

 

[Rabbit]

Come to think of it, even though break and patina are separate (in theory), how about a heavily broken-in hide with not much of a patina? I guess it really doesn't matter what we call it.

This Aero Barnstormer in Chromexcel horse has a lot of break, a pretty good amount of surface wear but nothing like the patina of an older vintage leather jacket, or the well-worn Highwayman above.

 

[Will Zach]

Character will encompass the above.

 

[Rabbit]

Character's a nice word. I enjoy referring to slightly malfunctioning electronic equipment as having character.

 

[Finn Vigorous]

I like character too. Isn't it a cousin of "soul"?

Even artifacts can develop soul, especially the ones with character.

 

[handymike]

So, do we add an “e” at the end, or a “k” at the beginning?
...to distinguish between the beautiful jacket and “the old guy wearing the coat”.

 

[Bulldozer]

Come to think of it, even though break and patina are separate (in theory), how about a heavily broken-in hide with not much of a patina? I guess it really doesn't matter what we call it.

This Aero Barnstormer in Chromexcel horse has a lot of break, a pretty good amount of surface wear but nothing like the patina of an older vintage leather jacket, or the well-worn Highwayman above.

That's definitely patina.

 

[Monitor]

Come to think of it, even though break and patina are separate (in theory), how about a heavily broken-in hide with not much of a patina? I guess it really doesn't matter what we call it.

This Aero Barnstormer in Chromexcel horse has a lot of break, a pretty good amount of surface wear but nothing like the patina of an older vintage leather jacket, or the well-worn Highwayman above.

Is this CXL, tho?

 

[handymike]

That's definitely patina.

I think it has a lot of character.

This Horsehide barnstormer is showing patina:

Not just creasing but burnished areas that change the depth of the color.
These are not areas of scratched off dye.

 

[Monitor]

Giving it some more though, I suppose I'd say that with leather, tan is the closest you'll ever get to patina. @Carlos840 and @navetsea wallets are a good example. Or Einstein's jacket. This'd qualify as patina, right?

This too...

I guess a tan or brown Goat could get there, too. Goat's tough as nails but it'll get dirty, same as any other hide.