Aero Cordovan FQ Horsehide

[feltfan]

Easy for you guys spending pounds and Euros,
but for those of us considering the purchase
in a country whose economy has been driven
into the ground, buying an Aero jacket is a
luxury. Speaking for myself at least, I will
probably find something I can rely on and then
get the Aero later, as a novelty. I have come
across an interesting prospect...

Thanks to everyone for their contributions.

 

[Graemsay]

Thanks for the pictures Rufus. The Cordovan horsehide looks stunning, though it doesn't seem to age as rapidly as the Cherry.

Then again, it sounds like Tony treats his jacket a lot rougher.

How bad is the colour leakage? Are we talking about a little bit of dye rubbing off on a collar, or serious bleeding? I've had the occasional black smudge off a previous jacket, but never anything serious, and it came out in the wash.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I have a half dozen Aero utility jackets....although only brown and black. Never had any bleeding. I think that it may only be unique to some of the cordovan or cherry colors..but I do remember someone mentioning a black jacket rubbing off slightly as well. It may be from just certain batches of HH. However..if one of my Aero's had that problem..I would certainly return it immediately.
HD

 

[Milu]

With all due respect, i think that that's not being fair or realistic. I have many fine leather goods, and all of them will bleed when rubbed against with a light-colored clothing item.

I would think that wearing a leather jacket, something that you press against for hours at a time, would constitute rubbing up hard enough to cause some bleeding. Even my expensive leather shoes bleed, so why wouldn't a jacket?

Sorry, I must disagree. I have never had that problem with quality leather. Perhaps our standards of what constitutes quality leather goods is different. Obviously our expectations are different.

Under UK law (where Aero is based) the colourbleed problem (unless clearly expressed, as Aero is NOW doing) would make them "not merchantable quality". This would not apply to fashion items such as some ladies shoes where the fact that the colour bleeds would not be considered an issue as they would not be expected to be worn in the rain nor to offer protection from the elements.

 

[Rufus]

Colour rub on my jacket.... It's enough to mark a denim shirt, top of my jeans still! Most annoying... ;-)

It mostly comes out in the wash... but it means you have to think twice about any clothes combinations... or where you may be sitting... i don't want to damage a friend's sofa etc!

When it rains, it does still transfer enough to mark furniture.

I've NEVER had this happen with any other of Aero's colours... it is the tanning method for the Cordovan hides unfortunately...

Re price of Aero... it's a luxury for us in the UK too.

It's a lot of money for anyone...me particularily, I work for a small US publisher... and my meagre US Dollar checks do not go far.

Nobody spending £400+ on a jacket does it on a whim!

Anyway... I love the jacket, but am considering redying it.... somehow!!

Rufus

 

[Edward]

Have Aero commented at all on their plans (or not) to alter the dye process? I do love that colour, but if it's as significant as that.... If there was even a way of treating it that would stop it...

 

[bobjones]

Sorry, I must disagree. I have never had that problem with quality leather. Perhaps our standards of what constitutes quality leather goods is different. Obviously our expectations are different.

Under UK law (where Aero is based) the colourbleed problem (unless clearly expressed, as Aero is NOW doing) would make them "not merchantable quality". This would not apply to fashion items such as some ladies shoes where the fact that the colour bleeds would not be considered an issue as they would not be expected to be worn in the rain nor to offer protection from the elements.

I have Ghurka products which are considered amongst the best available, along with allen edmonds shoes. All bleed somewhat iirc, but it is not an issue if the right color clothes are worn until a certain amount of time has passed.

 

[Milu]

I'm not familiar with Ghurka, an American brand. I am surprised at Allen Edmonds shoes bleeding even if I've never owned a pair. I've never had the problem with my shoes; Wildsmith, Church etc. or any of my leather products for that matter, excepting the one cordovan aero and I do have other aero leather jackets as well as other brands. I still consider colour bleed unacceptable but if you are more tolerant about it - all power to you - just don't sit in my car or in my home or office

 

[bobjones]

I'm not familiar with Ghurka, an American brand. I am surprised at Allen Edmonds shoes bleeding even if I've never owned a pair. I've never had the problem with my shoes; Wildsmith, Church etc. or any of my leather products for that matter, excepting the one cordovan aero and I do have other aero leather jackets as well as other brands. I still consider colour bleed unacceptable but if you are more tolerant about it - all power to you - just don't sit in my car or in my home or office

It would probably be my total disinterest in personal hygiene and bathing that would be your primary reason to keep me from riding shotgun...

To be totally honest, if you were to take a leather item and rub something light againt it, some of the coloring has to come off, no?

 

[Smithy]

I'm with Milu here. Top quality leather shoes and garments should not bleed (and certainly never excessively).

Although I haven't owned Allen Edmonds shoes I'm disappointed to hear that they bleed. As Milu said Church's don't, and Loake don't, and RM Williams don't.

If you are paying a lot of money for what is meant to be a top quality leather something, you really shouldn't have to deal with bleeding and definitely not to the point where it's ruining car seats and other clothing. I also personally feel, it's a bit of a cop out, to make excuses for it, when really at the end of the day, it really shouldn't happen.

 

[Lefty]

Is there any new news on this story?
I've been running toward a barnstormer for quite a while now, but this thread really forced me to put the brakes on.
If I have to carry a plastic bag to sit on or store the coat in, it's just not the coat for me.

 

[bobjones]

I'm with Milu here. Top quality leather shoes and garments should not bleed (and certainly never excessively).

Although I haven't owned Allen Edmonds shoes I'm disappointed to hear that they bleed. As Milu said Church's don't, and Loake don't, and RM Williams don't.

If you are paying a lot of money for what is meant to be a top quality leather something, you really shouldn't have to deal with bleeding and definitely not to the point where it's ruining car seats and other clothing. I also personally feel, it's a bit of a cop out, to make excuses for it, when really at the end of the day, it really shouldn't happen.

I should clarify, if you take a white cotton t-shirt for instance, and rub it hard against some leather items, they MAY rub off a bit. But I stand corrected, that under normal wear a well-made leather item should not bleed color into a neighboring piece of fabric, clothing etc.

 

[bobjones]

Is there any new news on this story?
I've been running toward a barnstormer for quite a while now, but this thread really force me to put the brakes on.
If I have to carry a plastic bag to sit on or store the coat in, it's just not the coat for me.

Have had an Aero stockman brown FQHH for 3 months, and it hasn't bled one bit. Their product is first-class, I would not be concerned about their jackets bleeding, I have not seen it mentioned on other forums, and my jacket hasn't shown any evidence of bleeding, even when worn next to white shirts, for instance. I think you can buy their product with confidence...

 

[Graemsay]

I don't think that the problems with Cordovan bleeding are as bad as they might sound from reports on the Internet. At least, I hope they're not, as I've got a jacket in the leather coming in the next few days.

I did ask Amanda about it before putting my order in, and she said that they had one or two returns each year due to it. But if the problem was a wide scale one, they would have gone bust years ago.

I've owned a couple of black Aeros in the past, and never had any trouble with them. Occasionally a bit of the colour would rub off on the collar or cuffs of a shirt, but that would come out in the wash.

The bleeding issue seems to affect the cordovan and possibly cherry leather. So avoid those if you're concerned. An oil pull Barnstormer would look good.

 

[Rufus]

As I mentioned, I own a cordovan Bootlegger. I'd never wear it near white or light coloured furniture, or with a shirt.

It does rub. It's rubbed on my jeans, bag,shirts,collars, seats...

I've had Aero's black, seal brown etc...no problems. Their jackets are first class.

I personally can't recommend Cordovan though!

ruf...

 

[Peacoat]

I have a cordovan Highwayman and have never experienced any bleeding. Mine is chrome tanned. I wonder if the color transfer problems have been with the vegetable tanned products?

Had I known that the bleeding was widespread with the cordovan when I ordered mine, I probably would have opted for another color.