Gromulus
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Unfortunately, with an A2 physique/body type does come into play to a greater extent than other more forgiving styles..
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A2 jacket fit - honest opinions requested
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Fit is very subjective isn't it? I know one thing, if you think the jackets are too big then they are. It doesn't really matter what others think. Having said that, I agree with you. The jackets would be a little too big for me. Although the sleeves on the ELC would be too short for me. To me there is nothing more important than the fit of the jacket and if it doesn't feel right it just keeps gnawing at you.
Monsoon
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph don't give him any ideas!!!
Pdxgeo
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I think both jackets look good but seriously the PJs are distracting.
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I think for your size and body size they both look ok, the GW is roomier at the back but wouldn't the next size down be too tight or look too small on you.
Sometimes you can be unlucky like me a be a kind of inbetween size with a choice of just too big or just too tight.
Most people here and on the VLJ seem to agree they look good.
Nothing is worse than that "it just ain't right feeling"
Sometimes you can be unlucky like me a be a kind of inbetween size with a choice of just too big or just too tight.
Most people here and on the VLJ seem to agree they look good.
Nothing is worse than that "it just ain't right feeling"
BobJ
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Evaluating "fit" entails more than just analyzing photos taken while standing at attention.
How do the jackets feel when you move around in them? How about when you extend your arms up or out? Do you find you are constantly having to tug the jacket back down every time you raise your arms to do something? Can you talk on a cellphone comfortably? Tie your shoes? Do cartwheels? Eat a meal? These are all parts of everyday life, and if you want to wear your jacket for more than posing, you need to be able to do these things comfortably in it.
Just my loose and baggy two cents.
Bob
How do the jackets feel when you move around in them? How about when you extend your arms up or out? Do you find you are constantly having to tug the jacket back down every time you raise your arms to do something? Can you talk on a cellphone comfortably? Tie your shoes? Do cartwheels? Eat a meal? These are all parts of everyday life, and if you want to wear your jacket for more than posing, you need to be able to do these things comfortably in it.
Just my loose and baggy two cents.
Bob
Peter Mackin
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Elc for me...can't see the sleeves being short at all.
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Looking at early photos the fit of an A-2 was all over the place, some trim some baggy. Both look fine to me, I'd go with the one you feel most comfortable in.
dudewuttheheck
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They both fit well, with the ELC fitting better, but the leather of the GW looking nicer IMO
I think they both fit well, with maybe an edge for the ELC, i think the GW shoulders are a bit wider than the ELC and come out a bit much, but not in a way that looks bad. Sleeve and body length is good on both.
Neither looks too big to me, I would be happy with either fit.
The pants on the other hand look like a perfect fit, are they tailored?
Neither looks too big to me, I would be happy with either fit.
The pants on the other hand look like a perfect fit, are they tailored?
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Photo re-shoot wearing the right trousers.......
GW
ELC
I personally think the GW back is really blousy where as the ELC is blousy but not as much also, with this being a RW it's roomy around the torso and I am thinking probably the Dubow contract would be a better fit for my body shape - I like the Dubow 20960 with it's collar stand, Crown zipper etc.
example
http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/Dubow20960_No5_46/Dubow_20960.jpg
http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/Dubow20960_No5_46/Dubow_20960_A2.jpg
GW
ELC
I personally think the GW back is really blousy where as the ELC is blousy but not as much also, with this being a RW it's roomy around the torso and I am thinking probably the Dubow contract would be a better fit for my body shape - I like the Dubow 20960 with it's collar stand, Crown zipper etc.
example
http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/Dubow20960_No5_46/Dubow_20960.jpg
http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/Dubow20960_No5_46/Dubow_20960_A2.jpg
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Hey Carlos
The Goodwear was made to measure and received it back in 2013 and the Eastman is off the rack and I got this in 2011.
Here is the least helpful comment you will receive. Front:GW, Back:ELC
Truthfully I think they both look good but as stated above the back on the ELC would be my preference and the front is so similar it's a toss up between the two. It's really just a matter of which one you prefer.
Truthfully I think they both look good but as stated above the back on the ELC would be my preference and the front is so similar it's a toss up between the two. It's really just a matter of which one you prefer.
Thank goodness for the second set of photos. Much better - a lot less distracting. Pairing PJ's with an A2 - that's rather like mixing diet Coke and ice with a single malt.
I think you have two great A2 jackets! Comparing them is rather Pepsi/Coke to me - and the only discernible difference I can note is the pocket placement - as in, set higher on the ELC. But I have to say, unless it was a direct A:B comparison, I wouldn't otherwise notice/care about that.
And I like the fit of both (but, like a few others have said, I too prefer a looser fit - and that's just personal preference).
I'd be happy with either of them.
I think you have two great A2 jackets! Comparing them is rather Pepsi/Coke to me - and the only discernible difference I can note is the pocket placement - as in, set higher on the ELC. But I have to say, unless it was a direct A:B comparison, I wouldn't otherwise notice/care about that.
And I like the fit of both (but, like a few others have said, I too prefer a looser fit - and that's just personal preference).
I'd be happy with either of them.
jacketjunkie
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I stay with what I said before after seeing these pictures. The Goodwear is blousier, yes, but in a good way and drapes better, nicer knits and all. It's a freaking Good Wear, whata heresy is it to doubt it inthe first place. 
Both of them fit and you can comfortably wear them don't worry, but if you could only keep one, I'd recommend the GW.
Both of them fit and you can comfortably wear them don't worry, but if you could only keep one, I'd recommend the GW.yakima
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I guess it comes down, ultimately, to how the OP wants his jacket to fit - and from his question as to whether the two jackets were too BIG, then I think it is safe to say he wants a pretty tight jacket.
On the other hand, if he wants it to look like an original A2, then we need to look at the issues of roominess at the back, and blousing.
There are hundreds, probably 1000's of wartime pics available - I just picked the first that Google showed me, pics of the famed Tuskegee Airman, and they make the point excellently.
Now, if we look at the fronts, we see various shapes and body sizes - but ALL have blousing to a varying degree. NONE of them look like the flat fronted ELC.
And if we look at the backs, ALL have relatively loose fitting backs - even the guys crouching down are still showing a degree of blousing, despite their jackets being stretched by their pose. Having a loose back was simply the easiest way to allow for forward flexing of the arms, without any "action back" pleats around the shoulders, which would have increased the cost of manufacture.
So (IMHO), if the OP wants a tight jacket (much tighter than they were originally worn) (and he is perfectly entitled to do that), then I would say get a smaller size ELC, but request longer sleeves (if the OP could send us some pics with his arms stretched forward - like driving, or as originally, like piloting a plane or manning Bendix heavy machine guns, then we can see which jacket has too short sleeves).
On the other hand, if he wants a jacket that looks and fits like an original, then he should simply stick with his GW. It looks and fits just like an original, which, as I stated before, is why folks wait for so long, and pay so much dosh for GW jackets
On the other hand, if he wants it to look like an original A2, then we need to look at the issues of roominess at the back, and blousing.
There are hundreds, probably 1000's of wartime pics available - I just picked the first that Google showed me, pics of the famed Tuskegee Airman, and they make the point excellently.
Now, if we look at the fronts, we see various shapes and body sizes - but ALL have blousing to a varying degree. NONE of them look like the flat fronted ELC.
And if we look at the backs, ALL have relatively loose fitting backs - even the guys crouching down are still showing a degree of blousing, despite their jackets being stretched by their pose. Having a loose back was simply the easiest way to allow for forward flexing of the arms, without any "action back" pleats around the shoulders, which would have increased the cost of manufacture.
So (IMHO), if the OP wants a tight jacket (much tighter than they were originally worn) (and he is perfectly entitled to do that), then I would say get a smaller size ELC, but request longer sleeves (if the OP could send us some pics with his arms stretched forward - like driving, or as originally, like piloting a plane or manning Bendix heavy machine guns, then we can see which jacket has too short sleeves).
On the other hand, if he wants a jacket that looks and fits like an original, then he should simply stick with his GW. It looks and fits just like an original, which, as I stated before, is why folks wait for so long, and pay so much dosh for GW jackets
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