To be fair goat is somewhat spongy by nature...Personally I find 5 star goat and cow to be a better hide than the cowhide used by Hercules, which was exceedingly light/thin and far too shiny and plastic feeling.... I would put both companies in the same sandbox/price point.
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5* 1950’s All Weather Half belt repro seal brown goat
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Yeah, Herc cow is stuffed with waxes, with crazy pull up. I kind of like it though, my one Herc in russet is a keeper. I don't know if you handled their russet, but it is not thin. I find 5* too spongy and soft. Add to that a uniform finish and I decided not to order. Their distressing looks fake, too. Sorry about crapping all over it, but that is how I feel...
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LOL...everybody is entitled to an opinion. I'm sure there are plenty here who likely wouldn't care for the hide but as far as goat goes, it's as good as any I've handled, although I'll admit that's limited. Maybe I'm wrong but goat in general does not age or behave the same as other hides...that's why 50 year old goat jackets show relatively little wear beyond creases, etc.Yeah, Herc cow is stuffed with waxes, with crazy pull up. I kind of like it though, my one Herc in russet is a keeper. I find 5* too spongy and soft. Add to that a uniform finish and I decided not to order. Their distressing looks fake, too. Sorry about crapping all over it, but that is how I feel...
Is this the “sample pack”?
Send it forward @Will Zach.
I’m only really interested in the Premium goat or steer.
Send it forward @Will Zach.
I’m only really interested in the Premium goat or steer.
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the premium steer seal I have is chipping away especially on the seams, any rounded edges, etc. Revealing a light brown underneath.
the samples I got (not as deep as the sample package) I've been running different experiments on. From what I can tell, the premium goat is pretty tough. All the samples are very top coat heavy. I don't see this stuff building up epic patina. You shouldn't expect Horween level results here, but you're getting a jacket for like $250. Some of us have gone over because we're custom designing. But it's all the same leather you can order in their stock jackets.
The veg tanned goat though is very stretchy. So there maybe with time you might get some layers of colors building up.
I got a feeling, like I think Ton said, in 20 years it's going to look pretty much like the day it arrived, maybe with some sleeve creases. But I don't know why the premium steer is different though compared to the other stuff.
the samples I got (not as deep as the sample package) I've been running different experiments on. From what I can tell, the premium goat is pretty tough. All the samples are very top coat heavy. I don't see this stuff building up epic patina. You shouldn't expect Horween level results here, but you're getting a jacket for like $250. Some of us have gone over because we're custom designing. But it's all the same leather you can order in their stock jackets.
The veg tanned goat though is very stretchy. So there maybe with time you might get some layers of colors building up.
I got a feeling, like I think Ton said, in 20 years it's going to look pretty much like the day it arrived, maybe with some sleeve creases. But I don't know why the premium steer is different though compared to the other stuff.
OK, while preparing the samples to be sent to @handymike, I re-examined them. To be fair to 5*, some are more spongy, a couple are much stiffer. Heavy premium goat is not too spongy. I encourage those who seriously consider multiple jackets from 5* to request a sample pack from Shawn. It costs $25.
I would also add that explicit language about “heaviest and thickest” hide available be standard with every order.
Fair enough. If I went with them again I would actually request the thinner hide. But I would ask for a dense hide, not a stretchy spongy one (if possible). The point of goat for me is its G1, wind-breaker lightness and once it is 1.2 to 1.5mm it looses much of its appeal to me.
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Same here on those hide choices. PERHAPS you could kick the samples my way when you are finished??? I think you are relatively close to me too
The samples are going out to @handymike tomorrow. Premium goat, buffalo and steer (called cow by 5*, though).
Sure thingSame here on those hide choices. PERHAPS you could kick the samples my way when you are finished??? I think you are relatively close to me too
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Looks excellent. Thanks for all the details. If you don’t mind, what were your personal measurements when you ordered? I ask because your
Looks excellent, thanks for all the details. If you don’t mind, what were your personal measurements when you ordered this piece? I only ask cause many of the measurements you specified seem close to what I’m looking at (other than you having longer arms, etc.), but I’ve been a little torn on where I land with my own. Your fit looks like what I’m looking for — I want it comfortable but also slim enough that it molds to my body — so if you’re a similar build to me, I might go with similar jacket specifications. Or at the very least it might help steer me in the right direction.
Man it’s been quite awhile. If memory serves, I asked for a standard 44” (22.5”) p2p. 26” back and sleeve, 19.5” shoulder and 21” hem. Arm:8.5” bicep and 6” cuff. Armhole:11”. These approximate all my 5 Star orders but this was the first I felt for right.
