$1 Ecuadorian Supernatural at Flea Market

[clevispin]

Please. What a child.

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[Vermifuge]

"Vermifuge" calling someone else arrogant. Hilarious!

I assume this stems because I chose to get a Optimo of what Art had to offer? You are seriously off the mark and off topic. If you wish you can discuss this subject with me privately VIA PM

 

[Vermifuge]

Please. What a child.

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If you wish you can discuss this subject with me privately via PM

 

[Vermifuge]

Thank you for your clarifying post Vermifuge. I think there is only one thing I need to address and clarify.



I agree, lets be done with it. In answer to you question, the reason for the aggravation is /was your assumption that I only based my post on the distant pics and that was not the case. It WAS the only one I cited so I can see why you might jump there, but that just isn't me. I think if you study my posting habits you will see that I not only post less these days for a number of reasons, but my posts are usually pretty brief , to the point, and hopefully pleasant and informative. When challenged I am more than happy to explain my reasoning but you were not challenging my results as much as my methods, leaving me to conclude that you believe my methods either wrong or incomplete. I cannot alter your beliefs, just clarify my reasoning and stand up to what appeared to be your challenge.

There are no Ivory Towers here Sir so your "ego stroking" statement comes off as a bit unnecessary but so be it.

Just as I believe you were over reacting for future reference you don’t need to post your credentials in a reply to me. I am well aware of your expertise. Most people would not boast in this manner when discussing a subject face to face. It’s a internet hobbit that has always rubbed me the wrong way. I am just as guilty for over reacting, for that I am sorry.

 

[Matt Deckard]

Art doesn't need to show his credentials here. he has proven time and time again that he is an excellent hatter. Just do a search on the forum and see for yourself

This arguement is spurned on opinion of pictures that are hard to see... I don't know my straw hats though i do know who with which to talk when I need the information.

I deleted a few items... If you want to agree to disagree it's better to let things lay as is an actually agree rather than make a point.

 

[Vermifuge]

Art doesn't need to show his credentials here. he has proven time and time again that he is an excellent hatter. Just do a search on the forum and see for yourself

This arguement is spurned on opinion of pictures that are hard to see... I don't know my straw hats though i do know who with which to talk when I need the information.

I deleted a few items... If you want to agree to disagree it's better to let things lay as is an actually agree rather than make a point.

look please read my posts don't skim you are just repeating me.

 

[Pilgrim]

I have a great deal of faith in Art's judgement and expertise. It has been well-proven and attested to in this forum.

I suggest that the best thing for this thread would be to let it die a natural death.

 

[Vermifuge]

I have a great deal of faith in Art's judgement and expertise. It has been well-proven and attested to in this forum.

I suggest that the best thing for this thread would be to let it die a natural death.

It would be nice is somone answered the thread staters other question first.

 

[SHARPETOYS]

Yes its hand made...

Thanks for the welcome to the forum. A lively discussion is a good thing. I had no clue about this hat but have since seen pictures of movie stars, artists and writers wearing something similar. They were back in the 50's and 60's or before. All I knew when I bought it was that it had a fine weave. As an artist, I recognized a fine piece of work. Is this hat handmade?

I guess the guy at the local hat shop was not use to seeing these kinds of hats. He's a nice guy and around Waco, does more business in cowboy hats than anything else. He told me about this forum.

I appreciate all the input about my hat. I'll wear it well. It is a steal at $1.

I was wondering about the wrinkles in the hat. Is this just part of the hat? Am I suppose to get it steam cleaned and pressed to some form? Is it suppose to be pressed to look streamline or is the wrinkled look the way it is?

I am an artist, so I kind of like it like it is... but I would like to know.

My real question now... Is this hat hand made?

Thanks!

Your hat is hand made and woven in Ecuador. The hat can be steamed over a pot of water to help shape the hat. I wear gloves so I don"t burn myself. Just shape the hat till you get the style you like. The nice thing about these hats they have a memory and the steam helps set it. The brim can just be ironed using medium heat and I use a cloth between the hat and the iron.
If the brim is to floopy you can use a stifner like this http://www.mens-hats.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Product/asp/hierarchy/0F/product-id/492252.html
Or even a cheap hair spray will work. I hope this helps and welcome to the lounge...

 

[Bud-n-Texas]

I don't know anything about hats but I thought this hat had a special weave so I bought it for $1. A few days later, I brought it to Standard Hats Works in Waco, Texas to have it cleaned and formed. The owner told me he could not do it because the weave is too fine. It seemed like he was not willing to do it for some other reason.

He told me that if this hat was in mint condition, it would be worth $2000. I asked if he were kidding and he said he was not. He showed me where the weaving started on the top of the hat and and that it was all done by hand.

The label inside the hat says, "Ecuadorian Supernatural" with a picture of a Conquistador. Inside is also written "Baskin". I don't know what that stands for.

If anyone has any comments on the hat or opinions on values, please let me know. I am totally new to this and am just curious.

See pictures of the hat at http://www.rayistre.com/links.html

Thanks,
Ray

Ray as I posted earlier, I am sure that Lenny gave you the best information that he could and in no way would try and mislead anyone. I f a person is looking for information about a Chevy, going to a outboard motor dealer is not the best choice. Yes they both have internal combustion motors, but that is were the common ground ends. The most accurate answer will come from someone who has made whatever the topic his area of expertise. Art is a master of vintage dress and straw dress hats and would be my first choice when looking for accurate information about either. When westerns are in question John or Lenny would be my first avenue, although Art could probably give credible advice in this area as well. Most of us came to this forum to learn from those who KNOW. In that vein, a Master Hatters advice is surely worth more than the opinions of a novice.

 

[Panamabob]

Handmade hat. The older ones are hard to tell if Cuenca or Montecristi in the llano weave.

Please, put a ruler going along the grain of the weave and get us a closeup on one inch of the weave. That will be the best way to see exactly how fine the hat is.

Be wary if you buy from that linked site. Lots of experience personally and with others here.

 

[feltfan]

Be wary if you buy from that linked site. Lots of experience personally and with others here.

Um, there have been quite a few sites linked in to this thread and some
of this thread has been censored. So it's not clear to me to which
link, present or deleted, you refer.

Certainly we can agree that the leather sweat band
alone is worth what raycharles paid for that hat.
Wear it in good health.

Personally, I marvel at the craft and effort it takes to create
even the most run of the mill true Panama (Ecuadorian) hat.
Hold that hat in your hand and think about someone weaving it by hand.

...and then go get a suitable pugaree or ribbon and bow
for that thing!

 

[raycharles]

More Info From the Hat Itself

I agree with you Bud. I had read your earlier post and commented on it. Lenny, in Waco, is more aquainted with cowboy hats and he seems very good at it. I don't know much about hats but as an artist, thought the weave on this particular hat was very nice, so I bought the hat.

Now for more information on the hat that I have discovered since these posts were made. This might prove that I am totally new at this hat business. So thanks again for all the comments.

Inside the hat band, out of plain view, is the following information...

Style hat D Rancha
Size 7 1/8
Price $17.95 (please tell me this is not in American Money)
Color Natural
Lot # H5B101
Brim 3 3/4

Near the paper with the above info are numbers and the size stamped on the leather.
S 0114 S and the size 7 1/8

There is another stamped in a purple color, of an emblem, with a small L, large B, and small C.

I have posted new pics of the inside of the band. See them and all the others at http://www.rayistre.com/links.html

Thanks again,
Ray

 

[Dinerman]

That's American. Remember, hats were a lot cheaper back in the day.

 

[raycharles]

Any Idea What Year This Hat Was Made?

Thanks for all the info and response to this post. I am learning a lot and getting to know this hat quite a bit better.

As an artist, I appreciate hand made.

I will wear it with a story

Thanks,

Ray

 

[Panamabob]

Vueltas are the number of concentric circles in the top inside crown. This hat has 3 or 4 which screams Cuenca. The "color" indicator of natural also lends itself to being a Cuenca llano liso in the natural state. It is indeed a fine hat. I'd say it is a Cuenca middle grade hat. In today's money if a Montecristi like that would be $200.00 then a Cuenca would be about half of that.

 

[RBH]

1926 'SUPERNATURAL' ad

I just ran across this ad while searching info on the 'optimo- classic' style panama hat.
This is from the same page in the paper but 2 different ads.
1926--- your hat has some history.
If I find more I will be sure to post !!!!

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3209/supereq8.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

 

[RBH]

All I could find...

The earliest ad I found was 1925 and all I found up to 1946 was in Galveston Texas.
I sure hope this helps in the
Search for the SUPERNATURAL.

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/962/super2mk4.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

this is a close up of the trademark...

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4162/222222vo9.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

 

[raycharles]

New Pics of Hat Next to Ruler

Thanks for the cool advertisments RBH. The name is the same, but the style is slightly different. I love finding interesting things at flea markets or yard sales.

An earlier post asked if the brim was brittle and it is most definately not. I will try to steam it a little, very slowly to attempt a re-forming. I have not fully decided on that as I am a kind of wrinkled type fellow. I'll post pics of myself in the hat soon.

Also added is a good pic of the hats weave next to 3 inches of a ruler. http://www.rayistre.com/links.html

I am loving this hat more every day

Thanks,

Ray

 

[RBH]

THIS..

<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/645/panajl5.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

..explain's that

Thanks for the cool advertisments RBH. The name is the same, but the style is slightly different.
Ray

it would seem that the hat had several styles to choose from.