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tropicalbob

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This being my first real straw hat, I have two more rookie questions for anyone who has reshaped their Sunbody.

First, what length of time constitutes a "dunk"? In other words, how long should I let it soak in the water to soften the Guatemalan straw? Seconds? Minutes? Go out and get a sandwich while I wait?

Second, whenever I've recreased my fur felt hats I've always popped the crown out to it's original "open" position first and eliminated as much evidence of the previous crease as possible before trying to give it a new crease. Should I do the same with a straw hat, or just go ahead and modify the factory shape? Based on the photos of the hat Scooterz' received I'm planning on tightening the pinch and maybe try to give it more rake, but I won't know for sure until I have the hat in-hand.
You're right. Once you get the hat you'll get the idea. Mine came with a C-crown, so I just left it as is. The brim I ran under the tap for a minute or so, shaped it, and left it to dry for about an hour. It keeps the shape: I might have adjusted it once during the first ten minutes.
 
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Al , check this out ... Pretty simple . Hope it helps .
Actually, it helped quite a bit. In theory, anyway; I'll have to wait until the hat arrives before I can put it to good use. ;) I wish I'd thought to look on You Tube first--they have a few videos that show how to shape a straw/palm leaf hat.

You're right. Once you get the hat you'll get the idea. Mine came with a C-crown, so I just left it as is. The brim I ran under the tap for a minute or so, shaped it, and left it to dry for about an hour. It keeps the shape: I might have adjusted it once during the first ten minutes.
This helps as well. I ordered the same model as Scooterz, so it should have some sort of Teardrop shape and I might only have to tighten the pinch. We'll see, but with my luck I doubt it'll be that simple. :D
 
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First, what length of time constitutes a "dunk"? In other words, how long should I let it soak in the water to soften the Guatemalan straw? Seconds? Minutes? Go out and get a sandwich while I wait?
I just check it until I know it sort of "turns loose", then start to work with it. Obviously just a dunk won't do. Heat is an important part of the equation in getting it to turn loose, probably as important as the moisture. I guess that's why we call it steam. ;)
 
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I just check it until I know it sort of "turns loose", then start to work with it. Obviously just a dunk won't do. Heat is an important part of the equation in getting it to turn loose, probably as important as the moisture. I guess that's why we call it steam. ;)
After Michael posted that You Tube video I watched it and a couple of others as well. In the video Michael posted Chip advises letting it soak in water for "a couple of minutes", another young lady sprayed hers with a water bottle, and the professional hatters all used steam. I'm drawing the conclusion that the techniques used for shaping a straw hat aren't much different from those used for shaping a fur felt hat--people tend to use whichever method they're most familiar with, whichever method they believe gives the best results, or a little of both. I suppose I should start to give more serious consideration into getting a tea kettle, a steam iron, or one of those hand-held garment steamers one of these days.
 

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Running under cold tap water and wetting the inside of the crown a little too works just fine. Didn't need to soak it under water for a specific amount of time. It may take a minute to relax. These hats like water in fact never ever getting them wet is bad for them. If its hard to shape just put a little more water on it.
 
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Running under cold tap water and wetting the inside of the crown a little too works just fine. Didn't need to soak it under water for a specific amount of time. It may take a minute to relax. These hats like water in fact never ever getting them wet is bad for them. If its hard to shape just put a little more water on it.
This is another reason I chose Sunbody for my first straw hat--I don't want to have to worry about it if I happen to get caught wearing it in the rain.

You can always simply cover a sauce pan with tin foil and punch a hole in it. The diameter of a Sharpie marker works well.
I'll have to try to remember this for the next time I'm feeling adventurous. Thank you!
 

tropicalbob

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This is another reason I chose Sunbody for my first straw hat--I don't want to have to worry about it if I happen to get caught wearing it in the rain.

I'll have to try to remember this for the next time I'm feeling adventurous. Thank you!
That's exactly what drew me to them. In a month or so the hot and steamy weather will come oozing in here and stay until next November, and for most of that time you get sudden, catastrophic downpours. It makes me a little wary of wearing my more expensive straws, but, price-range wise, there's nothing on the market between the Sunbodys and the customs. Believe me, I've looked. The great thing about the Sunbody hats is that you can wear them as everyday, knockaround hats or as dressier hats. I'll be keeping my new one for work, going out for dinner, etc. Either way, they're miles past anything else on the market and a good buy as well. I guess you really can compare them to Akubras.
 
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And that's what drew me to Akubras when I was looking to buy my first real hat in 2008--their reputation for durability. After reading through this thread I felt confident that a Sunbody would be a good choice for my first straw hat--something I wouldn't have to worry too much about.
 
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Well, it arrived. Ordered on Thursday, on my doorstep on Monday; Monaville/One 2 mini Ranch wasted no time sending it to me.

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First impression: Yep, it's a straw hat. The Teardrop was well-defined, but the side dents were very shallow and the brim was almost flat. Except, of course, in the front, where it had this slight upward curve. Kinda' boring, actually. And here it is after my first attempt to give it more character:

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Better, I think, but still a work-in-progress. I left the Teardrop alone, but was able to give the crown a little more front-to-back rake by lowering it in the back; I'd prefer more, but my head has to fit inside it so it'll do for now. I also tightened the pinch, and deepened the side dents. I was also able to give the brim the look of a "deep flange" in the back, but that relaxed considerably as the hat dried so I'll probably give it another try.

The "band" is made from polished coconut husks and plastic beads, a freebie that came with a hat I ordered years ago. I don't know how long it'll last, but for now I like it more than the simple "ribbon" that came with the hat. Ideally I was thinking a puggaree would suit the hat, but I have no idea how to make one or how to attach one to the hat, so...

Funny thing. After seeing the dimensions of this hat on Sunbody's website I thought it would be similar to my Fed IVs, except made from straw. When I tried it on the first time I thought the brim seemed a little too wide, so I measured it and found it is 2-1/2" on both sides as advertised. But when I measured the front and back I got a measurement of nearly 2-3/4", so except for the slightly tapered crown it really is similar to my Fed IVs. :cool:

As always, comments and criticisms are welcome!
 
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T Jones

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Well, it arrived. Ordered on Thursday, on my doorstep on Monday; Monaville/One 2 mini Ranch wasted no time sending it to me.

Sunbody_Oak_Fedora_Before_zpskmag7y5m.jpg


First impression: Yep, it's a straw hat. The Teardrop was well-defined, but the side dents were very shallow and the brim was almost flat. Except, of course, in the front, where it had this slight upward curve. Kinda' boring, actually. And here it is after my first attempt to give it more character:

Sunbody_Oak_Fedora_After_zpsbeyz4qn3.jpg


Better, I think, but still a work-in-progress. I left the Teardrop alone, but was able to give the crown a little more front-to-back rake by lowering it in the back; I'd prefer more, but my head has to fit inside it so it'll do for now. I also tightened the pinch, and deepened the side dents. I was also able to give the brim the look of a "deep flange" in the back, but that relaxed considerably as the hat dried so I'll probably give it another try.

The "band" is made from polished coconut husks and plastic beads, a freebie that came with a hat I ordered years ago. I don't know how long it'll last, but for now I like it more than the simple "ribbon" that came with the hat. Ideally I was thinking a puggaree would suit the hat, but I have no idea how to make one or how to attach one to the hat, so...

Funny thing. After seeing the dimensions of this hat on Sunbody's website I thought it would be similar to my Fed IVs, except made from straw. When I tried it on the first time I thought the brim seemed a little too wide, so I measured it and found it is 2-1/2" on both sides as advertised. But when I measured the front and back I got a measurement of nearly 2-3/4", so except for the slightly tapered crown it really is similar to my Fed IVs. :cool:

As always, comments and criticisms are welcome!
Any idea on what the open crown might be?
 

Scooterz

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Well, it arrived. Ordered on Thursday, on my doorstep on Monday; Monaville/One 2 mini Ranch wasted no time sending it to me.

Sunbody_Oak_Fedora_Before_zpskmag7y5m.jpg


First impression: Yep, it's a straw hat. The Teardrop was well-defined, but the side dents were very shallow and the brim was almost flat. Except, of course, in the front, where it had this slight upward curve. Kinda' boring, actually. And here it is after my first attempt to give it more character:

Sunbody_Oak_Fedora_After_zpsbeyz4qn3.jpg


Better, I think, but still a work-in-progress. I left the Teardrop alone, but was able to give the crown a little more front-to-back rake by lowering it in the back; I'd prefer more, but my head has to fit inside it so it'll do for now. I also tightened the pinch, and deepened the side dents. I was also able to give the brim the look of a "deep flange" in the back, but that relaxed considerably as the hat dried so I'll probably give it another try.

The "band" is made from polished coconut husks and plastic beads, a freebie that came with a hat I ordered years ago. I don't know how long it'll last, but for now I like it more than the simple "ribbon" that came with the hat. Ideally I was thinking a puggaree would suit the hat, but I have no idea how to make one or how to attach one to the hat, so...

Funny thing. After seeing the dimensions of this hat on Sunbody's website I thought it would be similar to my Fed IVs, except made from straw. When I tried it on the first time I thought the brim seemed a little too wide, so I measured it and found it is 2-1/2" on both sides as advertised. But when I measured the front and back I got a measurement of nearly 2-3/4", so except for the slightly tapered crown it really is similar to my Fed IVs. :cool:

As always, comments and criticisms are welcome!


Looks good, I think you will enjoy the hat. I will have to measure my brim front and back to see if it is the same dimensions. I did think the back looked a tad long if it was flattened.
 
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Any idea on what the open crown might be?
It came pre-shaped and I didn't try to undo that, but based on some rough measurements I took as it's shaped I'd say open crown would be approximately 5-3/4".

Looks good, I think you will enjoy the hat. I will have to measure my brim front and back to see if it is the same dimensions. I did think the back looked a tad long if it was flattened.
Thank you. I'm sure I'll enjoy it once I start wearing it and the straw gets broken in and loosens up a bit; it seems to have gotten a little stiffer after I re-shaped it. If you do measure yours, please let us know the results. I'd guess the variance is due to the hats being handmade, but now I'm curious about how much that varies from hat to hat.

By the way, after I posted those photos I re-shaped the brim again to give it more of that "flange" curl, and so far it seems to be holding. If anyone's interested, I'll post another photo or two tomorrow. It's a subtle difference, but I'm happier with the brim shape now.
 
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T Jones

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It came pre-shaped and I didn't try to undo that, but based on some rough measurements I took as it's shaped I'd say open crown would be approximately 5-3/4".

Thank you. I'm sure I'll enjoy it once I start wearing it and the straw gets broken in and loosens up a bit; it seems to have gotten a little stiffer after I re-shaped it. If you do measure yours, please let us know the results. I'd guess the variance is due to the hats being handmade, but now I'm curious about how much that varies from hat to hat.

By the way, after I posted those photos I re-shaped the brim again to give it more of that "flange" curl, and so far it seems to be holding. If anyone's interested, I'll post another photo or two tomorrow. It's a subtle difference, but I'm happier with the brim shape now.
Thanks, Z. 5 3/4 is a good open crown height and there seems to be plenty of brim to work with. I may try and get one. I have a couple of ideas I'm floating around.
 
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Thanks, Z. 5 3/4 is a good open crown height and there seems to be plenty of brim to work with. I may try and get one. I have a couple of ideas I'm floating around.
A 2-1/2" brim doesn't seem to be so wide on my Fed IVs, but on this hat it initially looked huge; the lighter colored straw is probably responsible for the optical illusion. Joao would probably call it a "fez with a rain gutter", but it's enough brim for me. :cool:

On Sunbody's website they do offer an open crown hat with a 2-1/2" brim, but there are no photos and there's no mention of it being "oak colored" so I'd guess it's one of their lighter colored "bleached" models. It's also described as being "Guatemalan Fine Palm", so they're asking almost $10 more for it than for the model/style I got. If you decide to get one, I'd suggest you contact Sunbody first to see if you can get this "oak colored" model with an open crown; it might save you a little work.
 
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Under the heading of "You asked for it", here are the photos of my second attempt at shaping the brim. At the risk of being redundant, I'm going to repost the first "after" photos from post #391 along with the new "after" photos to make it easier to do a side-by-side comparison (so to speak).

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The angle on the side shot is different, but it was the photo that best illustrated the brim curl increase, and also that I was able to continue it forward to give the brim that nice "swoop" when viewed from the side (even though that's not apparent in the photo). Besides, this angle shows the amount of rake on the crown better than the first one. :D Admittedly not a huge difference, but it does make the hat look more like a traditional Panama (in my mind, anyway).

Alas, the coconut husk band has been replaced with the thin "ribbon" that came with the hat. I wore the hat in public for the first time this evening, and...well, that coconut band isn't heavy when you're holding it in your hand, but put it on your head and it seems to weigh a ton. :(
 
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