The Non Shorpy Web All Stars.

[Hurricane Jack]

High part with a little swoop to the front in both pics along with what you mentioned. Looks awfully close to me.

In the group pic he looks like he might have the chin cliff also. More later.

Could front row center #43 be William Henry Gregg? Gregg rode under Quantrill but Post War led an exemplary life. He was a deputy sheriff of Jackson county which included Independence, MO.

Another of Gregg, post war 1865 in Sherman, TX.

 

[tropicalbob]

Back row #8 looks like "Windy Jim" Cummins, boyhood friend of Jesse's who rode under Quantrill & later gang member. Jim lived a long life, even wrote a book & died in the Confederate Veterans home, Higginsville, MO. He's buried there.

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I'll look at these others in more detail when I have more time later.

He looks a bit like the actor Edward Norton.

 

[Hurricane Jack]

I think #45 might be Cole Younger. Wish the rest of the list was identified.

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I am inclined to believe that is Cole Younger but the date ~1903 or 1904, especially if Frank James could be identified as being there & others known to have been their friends. The Wild West show that James & Younger would license their names to started out as just a telling of stories on stage. I notice this is taken in front of an Electric Theater somewhere in Kansas.

With Younger & Gregg front & center could #41 be Frank James?

Fletcher Taylor was a very good friend of Frank James. He was a Captain under Quantrill. Short in stature, Taylor went on to make a post war fortune in CA real estate. Could #40 be Fletch Taylor?

 

[Hurricane Jack]

The narrow black ribbons some of the men are wearing are from previous Quantrill Reunions. Frank James was reunion president for several yrs. Cole Younger would have never attended a reunion due to being in prison. Not sure what the wider white ribbons some are wearing; maybe from their unit. I don't see anyone wearing the Southern Cross of Honor.

A couple more possible identities that seal my opinion:

Allen H. Parmer (not Palmer as often seen) rode under Quantrill & was present at the first daylight bank robbery in 1866 at Liberty, MO. His timeline in unaccounted for after that until he attended business college in St. Louis, MO starting in 1867. In 1870 he became a brother-in-law to Frank & Jesse James when he married their sister, Susan Lavinia. They soon moved to TX where he became a successful farmer & Cattleman in Wichita Falls. Only after moving to TX was he arrested but acquitted in MO for bank robbery. I believe #39 to be Allen Parmer.

Note high forehead indicating a receding hairline.

John Jarrette married Mary Josephine "Josie" Younger before the war & became a brother-in-law to the Younger brothers. He became a Captain under Quantrill. I believe #44 sitting below Cole to be John Jarrette.

#39 - Allen H. Parmer
#40 - Capt Fletch Taylor
#41 - Frank James
#43 - William H. Gregg
#44 - Capt. John Jarrette
#45 - Cole Younger

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Front row standing left I believe are brothers Othias "Otho" (#27) & Samuel Ray Offutt (#29). Otho particularly, was a brave man. After the war he was tried but acquitted for bank robbery at Concordia, MO. He later made his living as a horse trader & operated a sale barn. He died in 1905. Sam lived until 1915. One of my friends is descended from these two, directly from Sam. Offutt Air Force Base is named for the family but I don't know exactly how.

Samuel Ray Offutt

 

[RBH]

Santa Fe Saloon
Wagon Mound, New Mexico
Palace of the Governors Photo Archives

 

[Cornelius]

Santa Fe Saloon
Wagon Mound, New Mexico
Palace of the Governors Photo Archives

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[BobHufford]

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I can see it...

 

[BobHufford]

^^^^ Thanks for all the detective work @Hurricane Jack !

 

[Hurricane Jack]

^^^^ Thanks for all the detective work @Hurricane Jack !

You're welcome Bob. Just when I was about to walk away, I enjoyed it. I know we don't have that pic in the Partisian Ranger collection & I don't recall ever seeing it before. I sent it to Offutt for verification but he is working out of town this wk & I have not heard back. Wanted to ask if you own the copy of found it online?

Thanks everyone, for indulging me with it.

 

[Bamaboots]

You're welcome Bob. Just when I was about to walk away, I enjoyed it. I know we don't have that pic in the Partisian Ranger collection & I don't recall ever seeing it before. I sent it to Offutt for verification but he is working out of town this wk & I have not heard back. Wanted to ask if you own the copy of found it online?

Thanks everyone, for indulging me with it.

I was hoping you weren't finished. Thanks for all the work and information.

 

[Cornelius]

Thanks @BobHufford - I can see it in your post, but not the original. Strange.

 

[Desert dog]

You're welcome Bob. Just when I was about to walk away, I enjoyed it. I know we don't have that pic in the Partisian Ranger collection & I don't recall ever seeing it before. I sent it to Offutt for verification but he is working out of town this wk & I have not heard back. Wanted to ask if you own the copy of found it online?

Thanks everyone, for indulging me with it.

I've been enjoying the discussion! Civil War and Revolutionary War, are very interesting subjects to me.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

 

[BobHufford]

Wanted to ask if you own the copy of found it online?

Found it here Jack.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...&set=gm.2886161738101289&type=3&theater&ifg=1

 

[Hurricane Jack]

I was hoping you weren't finished. Thanks for all the work and information.

Haven't spent much more time on it but I've been trying to find more potential brothers, that makes it a bit easier. I think #23 & #25 could be brothers. No one who comes to mind yet has been a match.

I've always liked this pic for their dapper look, the handlebar mustaches & Sam Offutt's mutton chops.

 

[Bamaboots]

I've always liked this pic for their dapper look, the handlebar mustaches & Sam Offutt's mutton chops.

Great pic, I like it too. Even that long ago and in B&W, not hard to recognize eyes like those.

 

[RBH]

Interior of Emile F. Jungmann’s Saloon.
Circa 1912
2304 W. Commerce Street, San Antonio, Texas.
General Photograph Collection. UTSA Special Collections

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Great pic, I like it too. Even that long ago and in B&W, not hard to recognize eyes like those.

I've put together a list of brothers currently at a dozen, who rode under Quantrill or were known gang members. So many were already dead by 1903. For example, George Washington Shepherd (pictured above) lived until 1917 but Oliver "Oll" Shepherd was killed in 1868 after the bank robbery in KY.

L to R:
Oliver Shepherd, William Clarke Quantrill, George Washington Shepherd.
Taken shortly after the Centralia, MO battle 9/1864

George served 3 yrs prison time after the bank robbery in Russellville, KY. While he was in prison his wife remarried without first divorcing George. When he got out of prison he decided it wasn't worth going back in prison for so he didn't seek revenge on either her or her new husband.

 

[carouselvic]

At the races,june 1912,France



most excellent hind-sight

 

[BobHufford]

The guys on the right are how I imagine @Michael A looks when he rides his bike. The guy on the left is how I look.