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The Deck Jacket thread.

CatsCan

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Don't worry, I was merely joking, I am quite happy with 78 kilo at 187 cm :) It's just a little bit of fat gathering round my hips every winter that make me feel uncomfortable wearing Jackets in S or M, especially winter jackets.
I am an outdoor guy, also jobwise, spending most of the days from April to late October out in the nature, working with kids in the woods, surveying for my archaeology, working at the iron age house open air museum, where I do courses with people all ages (building primitive selfbows, shooting primitive selfbows, fire making, blacksmithing), building prehistoric houses with mostly hand tools, most times only together with one companion. I do this since over 25 years. When I was young, during my University years, I spent all summer at excavation sites, working as a helper in the diggings, shoveling, pushing wheelbarrows full with moist sand...
Only the winters are "not much to do time". In the winters I gather vine curled walking sticks in our forests and prepare them for their seasoning, take the seasoned from last year and make them into fine walking sticks. I have always worked physically hard with my body and I eat what I want.
Years ago, when I had gained to 84 kilos (not through muscles), I had been on "paleo"-diet, just to see, what it does. I lost a lot, mostly water and belly fat, could see a six pack, just because muscles were visible again. But I looked sick in my face, unhappy, I stuck to this diet for too long, over a year. Blood values were fantastic, but then I got a bacterial infection from a wound and my body nearly gave up, kidneys are at 60% now, which is stable, but makes me weaker. Building wooden constructions from oak trees is a very hard task now. I am turning 57 soon. Have one old disk fracture, three disc prolapses, healed foot fracture, one healed arm fracture, two longs scars on my left leg. It was mainly the many years of blacksmithing and wood house building that took it's toll on my body. I know why my ancestors rarely made it over 60 ;)
 
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CatsCan

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95% dependent on diet and only 5% on exercise.
I think diet and exercise or physical activity in general depend on each other. If physically very active and working outdoors in hard winter weather is your activity, your diet has to be accordingly, you simply need more (healthy fats, carbo hydrates and a protein rich food, more calories). If you have a bureau job only, you can't eat like that and expect to be lean. In my winter construction projects I did benefit if I had a bit more body fat. It's just where this fat is dispersed in your body, that matters. Ideally nutrition is matching the life one lives. My problem always was, that I had times with long periods of bureau work following times of hard physical work, it takes time until the body realises that conditions have changed, but the appetite stays the same :)
 

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This is me 2019 in my paleo period.
- Chris -.JPG
 
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CatsCan

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I'm still considering the navy waxed.
I had the navy waxed coming about three years ago, but not directly ordered by Pike Brothers but a Motorbike-Scene-Store. I was disappointed and sent it back. It was looking black, not at all navy and it swamped me, especially the sleeves. I come to believe that they are having different batches, though. Maybe depending on where we order from, could be that we get older stock? The "khaki" waxed I have seen on others were looking good, though not at all khaki, more dark olive or kind of brown.
 

MrProper

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I had the navy waxed coming about three years ago, but not directly ordered by Pike Brothers but a Motorbike-Scene-Store. I was disappointed and sent it back. It was looking black, not at all navy and it swamped me, especially the sleeves. I come to believe that they are having different batches, though. Maybe depending on where we order from, could be that we get older stock? The "khaki" waxed I have seen on others were looking good, though not at all khaki, more dark olive or kind of brown.
Thanks for the info.

I would definitely order directly from PB. I can send it back if I don't like something. Only the shipping costs to me are lost. Return shipping is free.
Then I can see for myself.
I've seen that there are two size charts for the different deck jackets. Khaki and Olive have the smaller measurements for a given size, Navy, Elephant and Omaha have the larger measurements for a given size.
However, the actual dimensions of my Omaha are more in line with the table with the smaller values. In this respect, I believe that the table is not correct. The Elephant Deck jacket was the same size as in the table (large values).
 

TartuWolf

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Could you please take the measurements when you get a chance and see if they match PB's specifications?
Mine is not like that.
I'm still considering the navy waxed.
Sure!

Actual measurements of the 1944 N1 Deck Jacket Waxed Khaki in size S:
Chest / pit-to-pit : 55cm (vs 53/57)
Shoulder width : 42cm (vs 39/43)
Back length : 64cm (vs 64/66)
Sleeve length : 64cm (vs 65/67) (measured straight from shoulder to cuff, no curve)

Hem : 48cm
Waist : 51-52cm
Chest : 40-41 cm

So I'd say it matches neither specification and is off from both in different ways.
I don't know what you can make of this haha.
Fking sizing charts vs actual specimen measurements...


Specification version 1:
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Specification version 2:
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MrProper

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Sure!

Actual measurements of the 1944 N1 Deck Jacket Waxed Khaki in size S:
Chest / pit-to-pit : 55cm (vs 53/57)
Shoulder width : 42cm (vs 39/43)
Back length : 64cm (vs 64/66)
Sleeve length : 64cm (vs 65/67) (measured straight from shoulder to cuff, no curve)

Hem : 48cm
Waist : 51-52cm
Chest : 40-41 cm

So I'd say it matches neither specification and is off from both in different ways.
I don't know what you can make of this haha.
Fking sizing charts vs actual specimen measurements...


Specification version 1:
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Specification version 2:
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Thank you very much.
This means that all the values are actually smaller than stated. Conclusion: you can't rely on the size charts and I will order different sizes to try it out (if I order anything else)
 

TartuWolf

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Thank you very much.
This means that all the values are actually smaller than stated. Conclusion: you can't rely on the size charts and I will order different sizes to try it out (if I order anything else)
Yeah I guess that's a correct read - it is 1-3cm smaller than stated in the measurements of the newer (larger) chart.
I bought mine 2nd hand near mint with tags and got lucky.

The PB long john arrived as well by the way. Love it! Fits, feels and looks great :)
Now I feel like in the old western movies when I go to bed haha.
 

RDS

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Obviously we’re talking about two totally different styles of US military jacket and there aren’t too many direct comparisons, however having had several Pike N-1’s I often found my genuine GI issue M-65 with liner to be as warm, if not warmer.
I always found this surprising as there’s very little thermal benefit to the M-65 itself and the liner is quite lightweight but when combined they really perform well.
 

RDS

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The PB i had was fine. Definitely a case of you get what you pay for. Nothing exceptional about it but a good beater jacket.
Indeed, the Pike N-1 is a fine jacket for the price and the reason I had a few was mainly due to the inconsistency in sizing. I started with an XL, which was too big, and then worked my way through 3 L’ s. Each one differed in either sleeve length, chest width or waist. Also, as has widely been noted the tubular sleeve pattern certainly needs improving. Fortunately, I was able to sell each one for more than I paid, so never ended up out of pocket.
I do also have the dark blue Pike 1942 Deck jacket. Although it has a slightly lighter weight of wool lining I actually prefer this and find it can be worn in more situations than an N-1.
 

CatsCan

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Has this been discussed?
Yes. I have my opinion, though I have not seen this jacket in person. But from what they say on their website, it's too expensive for what it is, I believe.

For example, take a look at this one:
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It's what it is, a simple cut, simple components like waxed canvas (55% cotton, 45% Polyacryl, they even call this Gunmaku!), polyester teddy fleece lining, YKK standard zipper. simple riveted buttons. Construction and production wise it's not better than any mall jacket.
And they ask over 700 Dollar for it. For this money you can get proper dense jungle cloth woven on the old machines, sewn on period correct military spec buttons, M43 Talon Zipper or Waldes Zipper and fantastic Alpaca fur lining and reach the spheres of RMC, Buzz Rickson and so on.
 

MrProper

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Has this been discussed?
It's not necessarily a bad read, but you have to be Tyrannosaurus Rex in terms of measurements... so you have to have rather short arms ;-)
There's a video on the Tellason website in which the jacket looks quite large, but the sleeves are very short. I don't really like the way the jacket looks on the speaker.

But perhaps there is someone here who can share first-hand experience.
 

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