The BORSALINO BROTHERHOOD

[Bob Roberts]

Picked up this beauty yesterday with the original box. Unfortunately not my size! Not sure what this style is called? Or when it was made? View attachment 42288 View attachment 42293 View attachment 42289 View attachment 42291

What size? 7 and 1/4...? Lol. Beauteous!

 

[carouselvic]

If that is a punti size 7, then it would be a size 7 5/8 American....would need to see a label to know more for sure.

 

[mikespens]

The hat is a major tease glxie63, more info and detailed pix would be appreciated

 

[glxie63]

Couple more shots of my recent find as requested. Definitely not an american size 7! I measured it and it matched the punti 7 (what the heck is punti?) I wear 7 1/4 and it is much too big for me unfortunately. I don't see a model name but I do see Nutria, which I surmise is the animal it was made from.

 

[JackieMatra]

"what the heck is punti?"
Punti = Italian term for older style European hat sizing, also used in at least France and Germany, but not in the United Kingdom or Ireland.
Punti 4 = 55cm, 4-1/2 = 56cm, 5 = 57cm. 5-1/2 = 58cm, 6 = 59cm, 6-1/2 = 60cm, 7 = 61cm, etc.

 

[glxie63]

Cool, love learning something new!

 

[tommyK]

glxie, If no one else is going to say it, I will. I want to buy that hat from you!


-----pm sent and sold!------

 

[belfastboy]

I thought about sending that post but it is realistically a tad toooo big for me

 

[tommyK]

With these vintage Borsalino's I've found the 7 5/8 fits me better than my usual 7 1/2. I guess they were sized a little small then like the new ones tend to be now or other factors have shrunk the vintages ones I've gotten

 

[belfastboy]

I too find the vintage Borsalinos run a tad small. I am a true 7 3/8 and each one I have needed to be eased out a bit. The 7 1/2's I have are a better fit.

 

[eli104]

Interesting. I have a 7 ½ from the 60's (was my fathers) that fits perfectly. But a 6 from the 50's (from my wife's grandfather) that is only a tiny bit small. Maybe we should have changed to the metric system in the 70's after all.


- eli104

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Here there is a measurements table for hats.
Borsalino use the French size method and here you will find all the comparisons

 

[alanfgag]

Banana Zulu

Early 1950s Borsalino Italian market western hat, 4" brim, 3/4" ribbon. Thanks to Anthony for this one.

 

[Joao Encarnado]

Banana Zulu

Early 1950s Borsalino Italian market western hat, 4" brim, 3/4" ribbon. Thanks to Anthony for this one.

WOW, just WOW.
What happened to the sweatband? Desintegrated?

 

[alanfgag]

Yes, Joao... the sweatband was toast. It will take some restoration to get this back as a wearer. Will be worth it I think.

 

[Joao Encarnado]

Will it? 4" brim borsalinos are not common so definitively worth it.

 

[alanfgag]

I've not seen a Borsalino western in these proportions before. Also the number 44 1/2 next to the style name Zulu is new to me.

 

[Bird Lives]

In July 1912 my wife got me this Borsalino for my birthday...We picked it up in a vintage clothes costume shop for movies and tv in Istanbul....I'm now applying for membership here at the Borsalino Brotherhood....

At the time I couldn't post pics, but some of you fine folks asked me questions....and the general concensus was early 50's....Well here are some photos now....what do you think? Were we close at dating it or not?


It's very soft and bashes very easy...Here I just put a diamond bash in...


It's an open crown at 5 1/2" and the brim is 2"...The lining is stitched in, and there used to be an onion skin cover on the liner at the dome of the crown but it recently disintergrated, you can see a litte greyish line around the top of the lining where it used to be attached...I trimmed what was left out with small scissors...

Thanks for any help in dating this...

 

[eli104]

Here there is a measurements table for hats.
Borsalino use the French size method and here you will find all the comparisons

So to be clear, all those size 6 hats I'm seeing on eBay that are marked "Vintage" and show "Antqua Casa" (meaning made for the European market) are most likely 7-3/8 in US sizing? This would explain why the size 6 I have from inside the family, but purchased in Italy, is so easily stretched to 7-1/2 to fit me.

 

[Daniele Tanto]

Eli the table is clear
I have posted it because my purpose is to avoid misunderstandings in sizes, above all in Borsalino
French size 6 is 59 cm. in EU and US 7 3/8 and 7 1/4 UK