New Highwayman too short. Help me correct this.

[GriffDeLaGriff]

Today I got my zipsleeved highwayman and its very much too short.

I also feel the sleeves is too short and that the collar is too "short"
specially if you look in the back.

The back also isnt perfect. I dont like the jacket to crease like that,
i specified tapered fit and if I tighten the straps just abit then the
back looks hilarious.


So how much longer should I ask for? Its almost wearable in the back
but the front is way way way too short.

In all other aspects, the jacket is a complete knockout, sadly for me.

I did specify how short I wanted it in the back and I also showed the
jacket I measured. One of the things with this jacket is that its so extremely
thick that it doesnt hang at all like the other jacket. This is also what makes
the collar too "short" the jacket is so thick that it almost doesnt fold. Even
folded as much as one possibly can, it barely cover itself because of the
extreme thickness of the leather.

Now dont get me wrong, I love it, it is a bulletproof vest. The goat cheyenne
was extremely thick but its buttery soft like a pyjamas compared to this.
I really think the makers should have made the collar larger when they
saw how thick it was gonna be.

Its goergeous tho!

Garbadine in the sleeves. Very nice.

Cord in the pockets, sweet and not bulky.

Beautiful zips.

This is the back with the sidestraps just tightened some, maybe half:

This has nothing to do with the jacket being too short, its just not tapered
and one cant possibly walk around like that with the bulk?
I know the hide will soften, but then it will just hang in a "baloon" instead.

So how much longer do you think?
And also, does it fit otherwise?

 

[andy richards]

Well, that is a very sad story after a long wait...
I think you are absolutely right with all your comments. To me the jacket looks too bulky and too short. A Highwayman is a rather bulky jacket, but imho this is too much... The armlength looks ok to me though.
I suggest sleep a night over it and write all the problems down and mail or talk directly to Amanda. I am sure they will help you out and make an new jacket.
Andy

 

[Papa M]

I feel your pain Griff.

Fantastic jacket but the length just isn't enough. It needs another 2.5 inches.

I can see why you are unhappy with the collar and the over bulkiness in the body. However I feel that these issues might resolve themselves once the leather has worn in a little.

The problem with the length is never going to sort itself. You need to return it for a remake.

Good luck.

 

[Dav]

What is the length of the jacket?

 

[zetwal]

The craftsmanship and color look great. I agree with everyone above but would add that steerhide is too thick and bulky for me personally.

I do hope that you can get it just the way you want it. Please update us as you make progress. I will be interested to hear and see what happens next.

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

The problem is that I specified the length.
I said 22.5" becaue that is how my harley jacket is and its perfect.
She asked me if that measure really was right.

I took a picture of me in my harley jacket and sent to Amanda:

She said that 57.5cm is almost 23 so they will make the jacket 23"

I said that my jacket has a cafe racer-style collar and that length might
be calculated different.
I asked if she thought my Highwayman should be longer then that in the back.
She just said thank you and that the jacket would be made soon.


I feel that I am to blame for this but I really also feel that I should have
gotten a heads up about the difference in the jackets and that the extreme
thickness would need another inch. The jacket i got is a size 38 and weights 3kg (6.6 pound)
so its a really really heavy hide, even heavier then normal Aero.
This Highwayman is exactly 57.5cm when measured flat, but it still doesnt
cover my belt when wearing it like my Harley jacket.
The problem is also that its about one inch too short in the back but 2-2.5 in the front.



I dont know how else I would have measured the back then the way I did it.

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

The armlength on the Harley is 25.5" and they are too long.
I said 25" on the Highwayman and they got too short.

I dont know if I can say anything about the buldge to Aero because
even tho it doesnt look it in the pic, the jacket is really trim on the
edge to tight just the way I want it to feel. Its hard to zip up
but still has that buldge in the back. If I say this then the next jacket
might bee too tight. It really cant be any smaller.

Im thinking just fixing the collar, arms and body length and just let it be like it
is in the back so it doesnt get worse. It feels really good when wearing,
and that is the most important thing.

 

[too much coffee]

I think Andy and Papa M are right.....take it easy and sleep on it. They will make it right once you return it.

Meanwhile, if it's still chilly at home you have that great HD jacket to wear. Very smart looking and nice fit indeed.

Best of luck and everything will come out OK........it always does!

too much coffee out

 

[westinghouse]

The sleeves are too short as is the body. The brown hide also looks darker than other batches of brown FQHH I've seen. Maybe Aero changed something?

 

[HighandDry]

Griff,

That's really too bad. I agree that the jacket looks very discombobulated.

I would send Amanda your actual body measurements and ask her what dimensions she would recommend. Whenever I order a new jacket, I never go off the measurements of a jacket I already have, but instead rely on them to make the jacket according to my body measurements. Once they send me the recommended dimensions, I tweek them from there. With all the different styles, materials, and cuts, the making of a jacket can get complicated.

It's funny that you mention the collar. When my Langlitz came, one of the things I was impressed with was how the collar automatically folded into the right place. Given that it came with the collar up and the leather was brand new and quite stiff, I still can't figure out how they did that.

 

[JoeNiblick]

My first thought was that your pants were too low...

Just kidding! Now that I've gotten that out of my system, I agree with you 100%, Griff. Regardless of whose fault the bad fit is, for what you paid, they should make it right (and I don't doubt they will!). Good luck, and thanks for sharing!

 

[bobjones]

If you can survive without the other jacket, as a failsafe, send it with the highwayman back to aero, and have them measure the jacket themselves, in their own hand.

I recall in a thread that peacoat had a tough time explaining how his highwayman measured, since it had the side sections with the pull-strap, and is a different structure than many other jackets. This way, if the HD jacket is a perfect fit, then sending it to them to personally measure and use as a benchmark model would seem to be the ideal solution. Perhaps they could send it back quickly after completing the measurements so you won't have to wait to get it back until the new hwyman is built.

As for the sleeves, I'd add about an inch, and 3-4 inches in front to cover your belt. One thing mentioned above is that if those are lo-rise jeans, the jacket will need to be longer than standard to cover it properly. If most of your jeans are standard fit and not lo-rise, then you might want to re-consider how long it should be made.

As for the taper, maybe an inch around should do it. Too tight and you can't move or turn with the jacket zipped - the hwyman is a boxy fit.

 

[P5640blouson]

I can't believe they make you a jacket without body measurements!

I can't belive they make you a jacket without body measurements!
Because jacket design alters its fit, it is important for the maker to know your body measurements. To simply go off another design and its unique measurement simply will not work. When I ordered my Super Monza, Derek at Lewis described the difference in fit between models due to design form differences, it is only by knowing the differences between models and my body measurements could he recommend a size on the Super Monza. To base off a jacket that the maker is unknown to will not work. I'd say its Aero's mistake as they should know this order of fact. As such, I am sure they will make another for you as I've heard nothing but good things about them, except for the wait times.

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

I thought about measuring the body up to down too, but its a little complicated
to do and I felt it can differ alot depending on many factors so I thought
measuring another straight jacket would be safer.

The jacket is actually spot on fit except for length.
Im thinking just adding 2.5" in the body and 1" in the arms.
I think the bulk in the back is just the cut and thats how the jacket is.
My Harley is also bulky in the back and I think it would be harder
to move if the jacket is all straight, specially the heavy steer
it doesnt have a give whatsoever.

It is a little wierd that ones front profile isnt accounted for.
The back is plain, but in the front we have pecs and this makes the front
ride up specially on sucha stiff jacket.

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

Oh yeah. Its heavy steer and thats why the color is different from horse.
I prefer this color over the brown horse.

 

[Radu]

Hello

Hello Griff, can you tell me how tall are you ? I ask you that because I just ordered a HWM. I like it to be a little longer so I told Amanda that I want 26" back length and she said that it's OK, since regular length for 38 is 24.5", adding 1.5" it will be fine. I am 5'.10" and I wear 38 too.
And Griff, I saw you Cheyenne, awesome jacket. What length is it ?

 

[Gancho]

Poor Griff,

I can feel your sadness and know exactly the mute you are in. Sometimes it took a longer moment to get what you want.

Be sure that Aero will do everythink to sunshiny you.

The leaher looks dynmite!

Regards from a person feeling with you

Olli

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

Hello Griff, can you tell me how tall are you ? I ask you that because I just ordered a HWM. I like it to be a little longer so I told Amanda that I want 26" back length and she said that it's OK, since regular length for 38 is 24.5", adding 1.5" it will be fine. I am 5'.10" and I wear 38 too.
And Griff, I saw you Cheyenne, awesome jacket. What length is it ?

The cheyenne is about 30"

I am a coupple of centimeters longer then you but this doesnt really matter because peoples upper body are not always the same length. If you have a slightly longer upper body then me (wich you probably do) then it sounds perfect.

 

[GriffDeLaGriff]

I also want to say that Im not really sad. Im mostly confused by all this.
I was so sure it was gonna fit perfect.

I am also ashamed that I went away from the normal shape, but I was trying to
correct all the things I never liked with the Highwayman:
1. I feel most people wear it too long, I like a jacket like my Harley.
When too long the jacket will just fold when you sit and it will crease outwards and not be pretty.
2. The back is almost always too puffy, it should be flat.
3. I dont like the creas/bulk that hapens between the breastpocket and
the handwarmer pocket so I chosed the front yoke.
4. Cuffs looks too big and clumpsy and sometimes stop in a outward
motion wich I personally dont like, I like the arm to be trim.

I do understand the arms and the back better now when I have felt what is best comparable to wearing a saddle.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Could you take a picture of the shoulder areas of both jackets side by side with the collars flipped up? The issue with back length i suspect is caused by the way the collar attachment area is cut, but I can't be sure without seeing the pic.

The problems of made to measure clothing with no visits to the maker!

bk