Jackets having horsehide/goatskin outer & sheepskin/wool inner?

[Naphtali]

I am shopping for a leather jacket for Montana winters. My otherwise satisfactory B-3 has an unanticipated fit problem. In an earlier thread I asked about sheepskin's thickness and durability. My Aero B-3 had (thank goodness for past tense) a sleeve tear that has been repaired. What I obtained from thread's replies is that a jacket having more durable outer [leather] AND high-insulating sheepskin or heavy wood lining its interior solves the problem for a lifetime's use.

Okay, to the question. Among (alphabetical order) Aero, Cirrus, Eastman, Lost Worlds, and Real McCoy, which horsehide or goatskin jackets are capable - perhaps via additional cost option - of having a sheepskin or 26+ ounce wool liner? I ask because these makers appear to offer myriad options, some of which they do not list or otherwise identify.

While I prefer the trimness of a flight-type jacket, utility trumps looks. A sheepskin collar is preferred, but absence is not a deal breaker. Pockets - lots of cargo and hand warmer pockets - are strongly preferred.

The "Barnstormer" with sheepskin collar and liner was identified. My experience with buttons when compared with zippers and "storm shield" is not good. But I have zero experience with buttons secured in leather. The B-2, were additional pockets obtainable, appears to be a solution, but obtaining one is problematic, especially since new-jacket cost is either high or extremely high.

Suggestions or recommendations? . . . Any used jackets in size 42, more or less?

 

[HoosierDaddy]

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/product-detail.php?id=27

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[Fanch]

Somewhat off the subject, but you might wish to consider one of the Filson Mackinaw jackets, including the Cruiser, Double Cruiser, and Wool Packer Coat. When I was in Seattle less than a month ago at the main Filson store, I was blown away with their various jackets. Even the Mackinaw Cruiser is too heavy for Texas winters, but if I lived in Wyoming, Idaho, or Montana, I would have bought one or two of the jackets that I mentioned. More and more of the Filson jackets and vests are now available in long sizes. My Filson Weekender jacket with either the Filson Moleskin or Mackinaw zipped liners will handle the most severe weather in north central Texas, with rare exception. Most of the Filson clothing is actually manufactured on the floor above their flagship store.

 

[Fanch]

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/product-detail.php?id=27

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I agree that the Aero Longshoreman with sheepskin lining would make a great cold weather jacket but might need additional protection around the neck for Montana winters.

 

[Davy Crockett]

A Scarf would be the answer!

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[Deleted member 16736]

First off, I am so jealous you live somewhere you actually need a jacket. But what about putting a sheepskin lining in an Aero Cheyenne. Montana is close to Wyoming, after all. The weather can't be that different!

 

[Fanch]

First off, I am so jealous you live somewhere you actually need a jacket. But what about putting a sheepskin lining in an Aero Cheyenne. Montana is close to Wyoming, after all. The weather can't be that different!

Mostly colder in Montana than Wyoming. Is that correct Butte?

 

[Naphtali]

I visited Aero's web site to view the Longshoreman. How does its length from nape of neck to bottom of jacket compare with B-3 or anyone's A-2 of the same size? I ask because I have a mental image of it being "Ike" jacket short.
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East of the Divide, Montana is colder than where I live, west of it. But the thing that renders winter unpleasant is wind. East, the wind is your worst enemy. West, it is an unwelcome house guest who just won't leave. My LX450 (Landcruiser) has been blown off a two-lane highway when driving from Montana 200 on the Avon north-south road toward Helena. That's a 4500+ pound vehicle with 4WD.

 

[Fanch]

I visited Aero's web site to view the Longshoreman. How does its length from nape of neck to bottom of jacket compare with B-3 or anyone's A-2 of the same size? I ask because I have a mental image of it being "Ike" jacket short.
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East of the Divide, Montana is colder than where I live, west of it. But the thing that renders winter unpleasant is wind. East, the wind is your worst enemy. West, it is an unwelcome house guest who just won't leave. My LX450 (Landcruiser) has been blown off a two-lane highway when driving from Montana 200 on the Avon north-south road toward Helena. That's a 4500+ pound vehicle with 4WD.

Naphtali, I have a vague recollection of having driven through your area of Montana a few years ago and been figuratively been blown away with fantastic scenery rather than actually been blown away by strong wind, although I was probably there in early September, definitely not January. I'm not sure whether your harsh February winters are any worse than our scorching August summers in north central Texas.

I would imagine that the Longshoreman can be ordered with a body length that is just right rather than the short body lengths seen in the 30's. I think that Wade at Insurrection is on the right track when he orders his Aero 30's half belts in longer than standard body lengths. A short body length on jackets not only doesn't feel right but also fails to properly insulate and protect one's lower torso from the elements. Sometimes I think that we tend to go overboard in attempting to carry out historical accuracy of bad designs then that are still bad designs, with women's shoes being the best example.

 

[Edward]

http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/product-detail.php?id=27

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That would have been my suggestion - that or the shearling lined Highwayman. I shouldn't imagine Aero would have a problem adding a shearling or mouton collar should you wish. If ever I can afford it, I have my eye on a black shearlinglined Highwayman with a (possibly enlarged) black mouton collar. The one advantage with a regular leather collar would be in the rain.... I tend not to opt for my B3 or Irvin in heavy rain. Big, soggy wool collars aren't entirely pleasant.

I visited Aero's web site to view the Longshoreman. How does its length from nape of neck to bottom of jacket compare with B-3 or anyone's A-2 of the same size? I ask because I have a mental image of it being "Ike" jacket short.

I had assumed it to be the same as the Highwayman, but I might be wrong. My Highwayman is a standard 42R, which hangs on me just below the beltline. Same as my Bootlegger and typical for the period. That's be the big advantage with the Barnstormer: your backside being covered. Ideally, I'd love a shearling lined Barnstormer (with the regular, not shawl collar shape), except about 18" longer n the body. Not sure how often I'd get to wear it, though I do get a lot of wear out of my existing shearlings in the Winter.

 

[ButteMT61]

Mostly colder in Montana than Wyoming. Is that correct Butte?

Generally. It's also the wind. Great Falls and Butte are brutal. I tend to like it, the wife and kids, not so much. It makes Chicago look like Miami at times lolAnd yes, I've lived in both of them.

 

[ButteMT61]

If I were in Montana living, I'd get a barnstormer or other longer coat, lined with sheerling. Fur collar, or a removable fur collar. (Fur as in fur or sheerling).
The wind is why. Short jackets in that weather suck. Just my ”I've not lived there for a while" two centavos.

 

[Fanch]

Generally. It's also the wind. Great Falls and Butte are brutal. I tend to like it, the wife and kids, not so much. It makes Chicago look like Miami at times lolAnd yes, I've lived in both of them.

I look like a green banana anytime the mercury drops below 40F. I cannot imagine Montana and Scottish winters. Even November in Chicago is bad enough for me. Give me sunny, moderate San Diego (or Malibu) any day of the year.

 

[Fanch]

If I were in Montana living, I'd get a barnstormer or other longer coat, lined with sheerling. Fur collar, or a removable fur collar. (Fur as in fur or sheerling).
The wind is why. Short jackets in that weather suck. Just my ”I've not lived there for a while" two centavos.

Butte, shorter jackets work just fine in Texas! However, even in Texas, I don't like the shorter Eisenhower jackets but like my jackets to come maybe a inch or so below my belt; neither too long nor too short, but just right. There is not too much variation that is acceptable to me with sleeves or body length.

 

[ButteMT61]

Butte, shorter jackets work just fine in Texas! However, even in Texas, I don't like the shorter Eisenhower jackets but like my jackets to come maybe a inch or so below my belt; neither too long nor too short, but just right. There is not too much variation that is acceptable to me with sleeves or body length.

We're on the same page Fanch. I've currently got two A-2's I deem perfect fitting. That out of 10 or so I've owned. Not an easy thing to find

 

[Edward]

Butte, shorter jackets work just fine in Texas! However, even in Texas, I don't like the shorter Eisenhower jackets but like my jackets to come maybe a inch or so below my belt; neither too long nor too short, but just right. There is not too much variation that is acceptable to me with sleeves or body length.

Highwayman would be bang on for that, I should think. Mine is, anyhow - though it's not shearling lined.

I've long fancied a Barnstormer with an added 18" or so in length for wearing over a suit in Winter. There are days when even my heavy wool overcoats I cast aside in favour of my shearling jackets, which get a lot of wear all Winter (they were especially wonderful in Beijing these last two Decembers). an Irvin over a suit looks damn silly though. Not as bad as the cretins who wear dayglo nylon ski jackets over a suit, granted, but still.... I just hate the look of a jacket over a blazer / suitcoat that is hanging out the bottom. [Insert picture of RAF flight crew doing just that, early war, here.... ]

 

[Naphtali]

Take a close look at Cirrus' 2Plus2. It meets your described needs. Last time I looked, Cirrus had not yet updated their web site completely. Nevertheless, they continue making the coat.

Highwayman would be bang on for that, I should think. Mine is, anyhow - though it's not shearling lined.

I've long fancied a Barnstormer with an added 18" or so in length for wearing over a suit in Winter. There are days when even my heavy wool overcoats I cast aside in favour of my shearling jackets, which get a lot of wear all Winter (they were especially wonderful in Beijing these last two Decembers). an Irvin over a suit looks damn silly though. Not as bad as the cretins who wear dayglo nylon ski jackets over a suit, granted, but still.... I just hate the look of a jacket over a blazer / suitcoat that is hanging out the bottom. [Insert picture of RAF flight crew doing just that, early war, here.... ]

 

[Edward]

Take a close look at Cirrus' 2Plus2. It meets your described needs. Last time I looked, Cirrus had not yet updated their web site completely. Nevertheless, they continue making the coat.

I'm not seeing it on their website... I'll have to check back later. Their stuff seems to be nice quality, just lack in the repro accuracy (hough of course that isn't their market). If they do a model I like the look of, I'll be keeping an eye on eBay as they do seem to go for very reasonable prices used.